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This has not "always been acceptable"; copy-pasta was a pejorative not that long ago, and people have been fired for simply copying code from SO and using it without understanding it.
> ...they are making huge numbers of identical copies with very rare (and usually non-functional) variations...
to which you replied:
> You're ignoring unsuccessful mutations...
You are also conflating absolute numbers with likelihoods; flipping two dozen heads in a row is a rare occurrence (1:2⁻²⁴). Saying that "if everyone on Earth tried it today we'd expect it to happen ~500 times" is not a counter argument.
You're also conflating the substitution rate (rate of mutation rate accumulation in the viral gene pool) with the frequency of copying errors (your "chaos monkeys" metaphor, to which I'm objecting).
Your objection to my statement that viral reproduction consumes resources from the host (which I shorthanded as "energy" since all cellular resources ultimately depend on this) is nonsensical. Who cares about the mass of the viruses?
That's like disputing the claim that "the vandals caused $3 million in property damage" by saying "but they only had $273.15 with them". It's completely irrelevant.
The "monkeys" aren't trying huge numbers of variations, they are making huge numbers of identical copies with very rare (and usually non-functional) variations when they fail to copy exactly.
It's a fun exercise to try and improve the rule by extending it compared to just switching to "E before I".
This is exactly the tradeoff I described.
"Lord of The Flies", for example, is misanthropic trash that has done more harm than most people seem to realize. It grossly misrepresents what happens when small groups of people fall out of touch with civilization, portraying a rapid descent into savagery when in fact, what we see when this happens in the real world is almost always resourcefulness, compassion and nobility.
Sure, I suppose, this book will change the way you look at the world but unless you know enough going in to reject its premise it will make you less happy, less civil, and wrong.
If you look at the outlandish claims of either side in any detail, it's hard to imagine anyone would fall for them. But here we are.
Is this right? It would seem that adding another finding "in the same direction" should always increase the statistical significance, even if only slightly if the new evidence is week.
Under what circumstances could additional evidence for X reduce the estimated likelihood of X?
They didn't perform an experiment, they took someone else's observational data from a real-world event, and attempted to interpret it as if it had been an experiment.
But if the question is "why people don't quite feel like royalty despite all this" it's pretty obvious that "doom scrolling" might be a large part of the answer.
This may be the load-bearing point of your lament.
This.
"Absolute mess" may even be giving them too much credit, since most seem to have shot past "steaming pile" and are offroading in hitherto unexplored regions of sucky-space.