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If you read correctly the first time, you would notice that I said my landlord had asked me about the situation once already, but in regards to power usage.

So I am already involved. I was not being nosey. That's just your attitude being put out of place, and your ego showing.

And at this point, I don't care if I am breaking the rules of this site, because if it harbors people like you, then its trash.

Except they aren't my neighbor. It's a completely different household. As I stated pretty clearly... "My landlord recently told me about his other tenants"

So, I have been involved via the landlord asking my opinion due to my knowledge of technology being a bit better than his.

But here people are, acting like they are somehow 'teaching me a lesson' while acting holier than thou, when they aren't. lol

And for the record. I did offer to go do a quick check with him to help rectify the situation so that everyone is being treated fairly, since he isn't that great at calculating things like power usage.

But instead he said no, cause he figures he can do the job well enough on his own. But now that this news has come up, I thought about the situation again, and figured I would leave my comment.

Clearly a mistake. I clearly should have just done what I thought was right, and not ask a bunch of people on the internet their opinion. That was dumb of me.

No, I don't know if he does for sure.

But what I do know is the landlord said the fella is having a hard time not tripping the breaker with his new rig, and that their power consumption went up ever since he got the rig. So I figure that maaaybe he got the newest Nvidia GPU.

You all who are reacting the way you are, are over reacting. I haven't done anything yet. I asked a simple question, and you're all losing your mind.

Wow...

Except it was made my business when the landlord asked my opinion on why their house was using so much power, and he told me they had a high end gaming rig, multiple fish tanks, and Air conditioners going.

Apparently enough to cause resistive heating in the connection, which is causing the connection to melt and potentially cause a fire.

Doesn't matter how many watts. All that matters is that there is resistive heating happening.

Right. So when the house somehow burns down and it turns out the fella's super rig had one of the first 4090's; am I supposed to go "Oops. Sorry landlord. I knew this GPU had issues, and you asked me how much power these sorts of things use, but I decided to ignore the possible consequences; just to keep my nose out of others business?"

How about the families of the 5 people in that house? What should they be told?

"Sorry folks. I knew this GPU has issues and could possibly cause a fire, but people on the internet decided I was a bad person for doing the right thing, so I ignored the potential issue and didn't let the landlord know."

I hope you have a great life.

I'm proposing the difference between the house full of 5 people potentially burning down, over the possibility of saving them all that trouble by letting the landlord know that the newest GPU's have a problem with their cabling if the owner of said GPU is not careful.

One of these things is called 'being a responsible person'

The other is not.

You have a nice day 'Iwillbenice'.

My landlord recently told me about his other tenants have 600$ power bills before swapping to a locked rate. I wonder if the lad with the epic gaming PC is running a 4090.

Should I tell him this is a possibility if he is?

I'm upvoting you, because calling it disturbing really doesn't make sense unless egotism is involved. IMHO.

If someone can explain why it's not just egotism, please go right ahead. Otherwise, it really does seem like it. To me at least.

Other comments try to sort of deal with this problem in their explanations about soft and hard quotes, but they don't really deal with the part about it being disturbing.

What's so disturbing about using a feature available on your device? Especially when it does nothing harmful to the user, or recipients of that users communications?

"gravy boat"

Cause it's shaped like a simple boat. Or sort of is. Kind of like how 'soft quotes' are considered soft because they aren't in a very hard like up and down position, and are instead positioned like a feather softly falling. (or so I guess)

Honestly, if what they though Twitter was before was fine to advertise on, despite the lack of actual coherent moderation; then we are all blessed by the lack of those advertisers.

And if that makes Elon panic, then we are blessed doubly in that way as well, because he might either actually do something useful to make it a nicer place to be; or he might burn it to the ground.

Both are ideal in my personal opinion.

Not really, since the other poster was saying Elon would be axing things like moderation. I'm saying essentially it doesn't matter if he does or doesn't, because it barely exists at all anyways.

So axe away I guess, cause there is no wood to chop. The tree is hollow, from all the woodpeckers eating the grubs.

> taking an axe to the things that keep the lights on at Twitter: effective content moderation and talent.

I have experienced the 'effectiveness' of Twitters moderation team on multiple occasions where they were very ineffective at upholding the very clear cut rules surrounding things like doxxing on their website. I had my personal information made public, and they ignored me. Multiple times. I even created a new account with no way for there to be any publicly available personal info; and yet I was still doxxed somehow, and they still ignored me.

So, in the spirit of HN's rules, I just want to say this, since end user experience should be allowable to share (I hope.).

Effective moderation at twitter is a myth as far as I see it, and their only talent is making it look like they have effective moderation when they care.

P.S. I also was doing nothing wrong in any case where this happened. It was all conversations which should have been considered civil (mostly) and one situation where it had nothing to do with politics or philosophy at all. Yet they did nothing.

Nothing.

Snake oil salesmen are also upfront about their products features. All of them... except the part about them being snake oil.

I dunno pal. I think the idea behind thanks.dev can be a good one, but I think I agree with GP. This seems rather snaky to me.

Look. All I know is what I looked up, and have read in the past; and that I wasn't rate limited until after I commented on a thread that suddenly got mega-flagged and I deleted my comment to try to be safe. Wasn't fast enough I guess, cause either an auto-bot just rate limited everyone in it; or a mod did.

Prior to that, I wasn't rate limited. After that, I was. Make of it what you will.

Except they still charge the same anyways, or more.

I'm with Telus up here in Canada. You pay the same old rates as per the usual for 5G speeds. If however you go with their subsidiary (Koodo) using the older infrastructure, you can pay a little less for similar packages.

Check it out yourself. Mind you, I use prepaid, cause I don't want to be on a contract, so I buy my own phone and use it. Koodo even charges more for bringing your own phone, since they aren't collecting on having leased one to you.

https://www.telus.com/en/mobility/prepaid/plans?linktype=sub... https://www.koodomobile.com/en/rate-plans?INTCMP=KMNew_NavMe...

Simply put, if I want to save money while still having enough data for what I actually need data for; I can either spend about 35-40$ with Koodo for 2-4GB of data at 3 & 4G speeds; or 40-50$ for 2.5-4.5GB at 4 & 5G speeds. I round things this way by the way, because of taxes. Also, auto-top up also tends to give some extra data too. 500MB more. So generous of them (/s).

And also, this is new packages. They just updated them with the new promo on Telus with that whole 1GB extra data and 10$ one time credit. I'm gonna have to call them and get that I guess. Unless they auto gave it to me? Who knows with them. Ultimately, I only need 500MB though, since I use Spotify in offline mode, and only download music via my wifi at home; and the only other thing I tend to use is Google Maps which can also be downloaded ahead of time to save on data.

Edit: I should also note that they do actually state 4G on the Telus website, but my phone says I am getting 5G speeds. Hence why I state 5G. I could care less what they claim on their website. End user experience is truth.

Which is why I'm probably going to ditch this site as far as commenting goes.

I'll still use it to see what people think, but that's about all its good for in the comments section now; just like Reddit, Twitter, and others.

But at least the links are still interesting.

P.S. I'm mostly only commenting still right now because

A: I haven't made my decision yet and

B: It would be rude to ignore those who did reply to me kindly.

downvotes cause you to be essentially a lite-shadow ban if they happen enough, especially if in a flagged thread/comment. You get rate limited, which means only 5 comments per day allowed. Max.

So, sorry, but while I didn't downvote you, I do disagree with you; entirely. Validly.

https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/issues...

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> TL;DR: apparently this can happen due to an account being "rate-limited". Rate-limited accounts can post a max of five posts within 24 hours.

See : https://hn.nuxtjs.org/item/15507821

Specifically this bit:

dang 1018 days ago

That's a sign that your account is rate-limited. We rate limit accounts when they repeatedly get involved in flamewars or regularly break the site guidelines or post lots of low-quality (for HN) comments. It's a crude tool but one of the few we have to prevent such things from overrunning the site.

The thread also has interesting discussions on other mod tools: shadowbanning, IP bans, and the like.

Apparently the way to un-rate-limit an account is to send in an email and mention that you will "stick to civil, substantive comments that scrupulously follow" https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Some amount of convincing prostration may be required, as a sort of high-level turing test. There does not seem to be a way to do this while not giving away your email address (which was not required at signup).

The moderator mentioned something about repeated, human-written warnings before rate-limiting, but this does not seem to be the case now (2020) - rate limiting seems to be a milder, less-known variant of the shadowban.

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> When you get right down to it, the people that got mesothelioma from asbestos pretty much universally directly worked with it (usually in the form of doing things like blowing it in loose form for insulation).

Yeah, cause they often (as I understand) were not using proper protective measures to keep from inhaling the dust particles. A common thing I have seen on construction sites of all sorts, is the workers refusing to use some thing or the other, because it makes them uncomfortable, or harder to see (but still can) or harder to breath (but still can) or some other jackanapes idea like that.

> Yet we spent an ungodly amount of money and time stripping asbestos from buildings that had been there for decades not causing any problems. Ironically, directly exposing people to asbestos in the process (more than you'd ever be exposed to it was left undisturbed).

This is where things get real fun. When moist or absolutely damp/wet, asbestos is basically harmless (to the lungs) because it's almost impossible to breath it in at that point. If you somehow manage to breath that in, you have to basically be trying to do it. When it is dryer than chalk on a hot summers day with 0% humidity though, then yeah it can cause all sorts of problems. But even then, people removing it tend to do the thing that the other prior mentioned construction workers (often) won't do.

They wear gloves, have masks on; and even are running some form of proper ventilation. And so much of the issue is averted.

Then comes the media and government. They take edge case scenarios like these, and hype them up; whilst mixing in the prior construction workers into the data. This makes things look worse than they really are.

It's not just Asbestos you can find this sort of thing with them. You can find media and government doing this with many things if you look carefully.

But that being said, none of this is to say that Asbestos isn't a problem at all. It's just to say that Asbestos gets the treatment it does for the same reason we have warning labels on nearly everything.

We placate and protect the stupid... stupidly.

Fair enough. I suppose I should have said "new to me".

Also, I stopped using MSI when their motherboards weren't properly supporting Piledriver/Steamroller AMD cpus power and thus thermal requirements. At least, on some of the mid-high tier boards. (It said it could handle a 8350. That apparently was a lie.)

I would be hosting an FTP service for my files for my own use in other locations. So that would require some 'read' access from a network. So that network connection would have to have internet access somehow, thus the firewall and possibly VPN. These are not incriminating files in any way mind you. I just am wary about things like packet injection, and other sneaky practices that miscreants use.

I would also be hosting a webpage or two, for blog and possibly web-shop purposes. The blog would again be "read-only", but the web-shop would require some semblance of 'write' permissions available for users. So the blog would share the 'read-only' connection ideally. The Web-shop would share the write capable connection instead.

Finally, the laptop being able to SSH into the server solely is for security purposes due to not wanting to use any form of IPMI due to some security concerns over it. I would instead being using a dedicated network card for just its purposes only. This laptop would not connect to the internet through anything, even the server. No shared connections between the network nics at all.

And I realize it may seem overkill to some people, but I don't care if it is overkill. It's when people get sloppy and cut corners that backdoors and security vulnerabilities arise. IMHO.

If I had a million dollars, I would have the most secure server in the world, lol.

The firewalls/VPN's are essentially there to act as a stop-gap measure just in case anyone decides to poke their nose in where it doesn't belong. Partially to catch them in the act, partially to stop them in the act. Ideally.

Here is a simple text explanation of sorts of my setup I have in mind.

- Nic 1: Blog/FTP, Read only. No copying files to the FTP, just copying files from it. You can only read the blog, not comment, or anything like logging in. The only person who ever needs to 'log in' is me, from my laptop.

- Nic 2: Web-shop and maaaybe a game server for testing purposes.(Considering making a simple game that will need some net code tested in the future.) This will have full read and write capability, since it will need to. This is the network that will require all the extra firewalls and VPN connections, if I use them at all. The other one might be able to get away with not having them, but this one will need them in my mindset on the matter. Logging in is definitely a thing on this part of the server.

This server will have (and maybe I should have mentioned this before) a virtualized instance for each service. This way I can sandbox each, and kill each sandbox if ever needed due to whatever malicious actions some dingus decided to do.

The laptop is essentially going to be my monitor, keyboard, and mouse; so I don't need to run multiple of each for yet another machine. (I have 2 desktops, and another laptop. I need to simplify things down a bit, even if this seems more complex, lol.)

All of this is getting its own intranet essentially, completely separated from my main internet connection. It will also be getting its own business connection instead with a static IP address for any sort of connections to the outside world. The only way my two networks will ever talk to each other, is either through the internet itself, or via a firewalled connection between the intranet I have setup, and my other computers. In this way, it will act like a local NAS for my other computers, but also for when I am out and about, and need a certain file suddenly.

I should also mention I tend to live with roommates, so I like having an extra layer of security here and there when doing so, since you never know when your roommate is going to try to do something sneaky. Like my current one who decided to give our password to the neighbors downstairs... and across the wall... Why? Because they lied to him and said they pay for the internet here too.(They don't.) Or so he claims. Quite frankly, I have found out rather recently because of this and some other things that he has a habitual need to lie and deflect. Fun stuff.

Again, this may all seem like overkill to some people, but I have long learned from experience that what one person considers overkill, another considers underkill. I would much rather do things to a point where people go "jeezus" than be the one going "ah damn".

With that note, there will be absolutely zero windows operating systems on this machine, and any machine that directly connects to it, like my laptop; will also be running non-windows environments.

The machines that do need to run windows, due to things like my capture card from Avermedia not supporting linux basically at all... they are going to be locked behind the firewalls, and allowed to connect only to the basic internet connection I already have setup. Everything else is linux. Everything. Even my 'other' laptop that currently has windows on it, only has it, because it came with it. That changes, very soon.

And besides, you wanna see real overkill?

I'll be setting up my own version of Kali essentially on the first laptop for SSH and stuff into my server, so I can also do security audits. But it's either going to be Arch based, or Gentoo based. Why?

Because I don't trust the folk who made Kali, otherwise used to be known as Backtrack. Why?

Because they still use torrents, and not magnet files, to start. And while even Arch has a way to be used on Windows now; I can at least install it via Bash on my own without needing to use some pre-made packaged installation. Hence why I might move on to Gentoo.

And I realize that no OS is perfect, and security flaws exist everywhere.

That's why I am going overkill. Also, this is how I learn things. By doing them. And I basically want to learn how to make some of the most redundantly secure servers, so that people who come to me for my services get something they can trust isn't going to be easily hacked by some script kiddie.

I guess there is a misunderstanding here.

Yes, if I own the VPN in question and no one else has any access to it, or maintains it; then there is no issue.

But I was talking about paid service VPNs. The kind you see being advertised on YouTube and etc. I don't trust those one bit.

OH, for sure. I agree. But that is what most people tend to do when they do this sort of thing. Even the 'furnace' they had was just a bonfire essentially in a enclosed can with vents. And that was specially bought from a company that sold it for that purpose. I forget the name though, sorry.

So, upvoted cause ultimately we do need to do something with it...

But I used to work in a industry that would bundle its used plastic and burn it to get rid of it... (I know, I know... terrible)

Let me tell you. That stuff doesn't burn easily unless there is already a damn good fire going, or some helper combustibles. Sure, it will burn just fine when you put a few in a fire, etc. But once you get to the kinds of loads that occur with bails of plastic...

It's going to mostly smolder and offgas from my experience. It got so bad they stopped burning it, and started selling it to some company that found a way to recycle it. Ironically enough.

I have an idea I want to pass by you, since you seem to understand the importance of this better than some others. (At least as far as my under educated opinion on network security goes) (I'm a hobbyist, self taught most things.)

So lets say you are going to be running a home server to be setup as a read only server to the outside world, but write capable through a separate port connected only to a laptop that has no internet access (or very restricted) which also has the nicety of being so obsolete it doesn't have IME or any other intel idiocy backdoors attached to it.

Would you still put a hardware firewall between each of these connections? And if so, would you also run it through a VPN on the read side of the server?

I personally don't trust VPN's, since I see them as middlemen you pay to pretend they don't keep logs of anything. Of course there is always the whole argument of 'not having anything to hide, so no worries'; but I see it as false, since the whole point of using a VPN is to hide your bits from attackers and snoops. Even if it's legitimate/legal data.

So, what would you do to avoid using a VPN, provided you can't own the VPN instance somehow somewhere due to being a bit of a cheapskate? Would some basic OpenWRT firewalled routers be enough for your purposes (and thus mine possibly) or would you go with some more complex setup where a person has to trust yet another company to not be trying to hijack data somehow?

Server intended:

Opteron build, DDR3 tech. 6 cores, hyperthreading (if any) disabled. All forms of speculation turned off. All that jazz.

1 nic port is to be setup to be downloaded data only, no upload allowed.

Other nic port is access point for SSH via old laptop setup for security purposes.

Everything running on linux, as much as possible. No windows allowed.

Really? That's new. Mind you, I have basically all but stopped using Asus the moment they started catering their brand towards 'gamers' on reddit.

This. It only gets the way it is, because the people have allowed it.

I know it's not ideal to have to go through the pain and trouble of being the good and righteous person who stands up against bad employers; but you HAVE to do it, or this is what happens.

Can't read the article, cause NYTimes paywall.(And I don't use methods to get around it, cause that's technically stealing; and I refuse to pay for NYTimes.)

But here's a comment based upon the pretense of the title at least.

Cinema, is in the eye of the beholder.

For someone who knows the usual trope of superhero comics and such, yes, there is nothing at risk. We (the comic book readers, etc) know very well that 99.999% of the time, the 'good' wins, and the 'bad' loses. Maybe not always right away. Maybe not even after some time has passed. But they always end up winning somehow. Always.

That 00.001% though that we know is likely to not happen, is still more than enough plausible capability for the 'bad' to win. Especially in the eyes of those who don't know any better, because they don't have the experience with the dried up and old tropes of superhero media.

In my opinion, it's this very thing that makes the anti-hero in other media so popular with so many people who are tired of the same old tropes being reused again and again.

Meanwhile, the average person will lap up anything Marvel tosses at them.

But note how I don't mention DC here? Why is that?

Because DC actually tries to add some level of complexity to their stories beyond "bad guy did thing, so now good people assemble, and take away bad guys toys."

And it's pretty often that it's a 'guy' who is bad in these no less. It's only with stuff like Wanda Vision that we see for once a female actually being given the cast of being the 'bad person' in Marvel stuff; and even then it can be argued she's going through some serious shit involving grief, depression and mania.

Did I describe that properly? I didn't even watch it.

Anyways. Marvel can be cinema. It just isn't for those who know better that it's mostly just a mental wankjob for the more or less morally simple people out there.

Meanwhile we have other things being made by (IMHO) much better companies that often gets people confused and so they don't like it. All because they try to not be simple enough a toddler can understand it.

So I agree with the premise, but only because of the human condition.

(P.S. This isn't to say all Marvel = bad. Just that they kind of have reached the bottom of their current barrel, and need to find a new one in some respects. They do release some pretty decent movies to sit back and relax with; but they aren't exactly "big think" kind of movies.)

Edit: Because the internet has a way of providing when you least expect it; here's a great example of how DC manages to make things 'more complex' in a way that is actually enjoyable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2kqS-nboQI

My tone deaf sibling singing Nickelback, Avril Lavigne and Celine Dione might be able to top some of these.

Well, you may or may not like reading this, but here goes...

> I've been in this field a long time, and I cannot think of a single topic which would be better served by video, than reading text. Video takes more time, has more cruft, such as blah blah I made this video because, and I discovered this because...), and video poorly presents for work involving typing.

Ironically, the opposite is why I resorted to the videos. The text was often wrong, or useless due to being for some outdated version that doesn't apply anymore for some reason. A good example of this is text code snippets that use hypens when Arch expects an underscore. Which brings me to this...

> But videos? How do you copy/paste code snippets from a youtube video? Or go through a list of 7 files to edit and look at?

I type it out. I don't copy and paste unless I trust the code I am looking at. And I only trust things as far as I can throw them... Or know them.

So yeah, I write it all out, myself. And so I remember it better that way for the future.

> Are you watching these videos, then making notes? Text instructions are the notes!

More like I write it out in terminal to see if it works and does what I want, then (and I only recently started doing this part) I write down that code for my own use in a notebook for later. Which yes, I still type out. Why?

Because copy and paste is useful, but also lazy. IMHO.

And quite frankly, I think this is part and parcel as to why things are becoming gibberish and utterly useless. The code being shared is either wrong, mistyped, or just missing things entirely.

Arch wiki as I said before, I really should just deep dive into; but it was written by (IMHO) blowhard elites who only wanted people who already knew BASH intricately before installing Arch.

On some level, I don't blame them. I agree with the idea of barriers of entry to some certain things. But that thing is a whole new level of bullshit. Bullshit that I was able to get past and beyond, by just following a few videos where each person added in what the other left out.

I tell ya. The locales file was a pain in the ass for a while until I found the RIGHT way to do it. (Which I forgot again, but that video is still up, so I can thankfully refer to it)

Long story short, each tutorial text/video basically has a person changing it, when really... if you live in Canada or USA, you probably don't need to touch it much or at all. Same goes with the timezones, etc. Only small things need to be done to them. But some of these tutorials just give ya the work around until you bork your installation and have to start over again, wondering what went wrong.

So, with all due respect; I do not agree that following the text is the best method. Videos at least show you that the system works for them, even if they left something out. Which means you just need to find what they left out.

And I'm great at doing that sort of thing.

In the meantime, when I do my next install of Arch, I'll be writing down every little thing this time in my new little notepad, so I have a proper script to follow for any device I come across which has all AMD parts. Then I'll do the same with my laptop that has Nvidia in it... which means dealing with that bloody F'ing gpu switch stuff between integrated and dedicated graphics.

Then I won't need to refer to much else than the Arch Wiki for the few things where it matters. Or some random blog where the information is actually legitimate.

Like the BTRFS blog I came across that helped fix the suddenly filling SSD issue I ran into the first time I decided to leave EXT4 in the past where it belongs. (so many borked file systems because of a power outage because of that tripe.)

And I realize this may all seem wrong to you, but remember... It works on my machine. So that's all that matters.

Once I have this finally mastered as much as I care to master it; I'm moving on to Gentoo.