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But they are demonstrably different. How can AI be so revolutionary and powerful yet also not change things in meaningful ways?

The nature of internet search, which changed incrementally for years, has been upended. That alone is significant. Investment and general speculation has shifted the world economy. It is altering energy policy and infrastructure. These are massive changes.

Law of Krap

This is a very lazy argument that basically ignores centuries of technological change.

I’ve gotten really sick of people just ignoring how scale changes things.

Greed

Yeah I’ve never understood that take either. They are not breaking down barriers for us, they are breaking them down for them personally and making sure everyone else is shackled by them.

This is not a very fair framing of their point.

If you can’t feed yourself writing then you have to have a job, which means you won’t have nearly as much time (or energy) to write. Writing long form work is a very long, draining process. That’s why it’s a full time career for many.

I’d love to shoot documentaries I care about all the time but if I’m not getting paid it simply isn’t viable.

It is rather frustrating

I did not say the models weren’t useful. I am saying running local models is not turnkey like browser experiences with the big companies and introduces significant friction - and they generally aren’t as fast as good, which is true. Plus it’s a whole skill set to optimize them.

This sounds like a variation of the same problem. Just another form of vendor lock in and exploitation. This is not the same as “running a local model yourself.”

Like you mention synology - they’ve gone the wrong direction the last few years. My employer won’t buy from themfor a reason.

I want you to grab 100 people and tell them to set up LM studio and run a qwen model for anything productive. The average person won’t/can’t do this, especially when a better, faster model is a browser window away and (currently the case) is cheap or even free.

I consider myself pretty tech savvy as a non-engineer and I have to spend a lot of time making a local model actually useful. This feels like how everyone acts like it’s so easy for everyone to just adopt Linux.

If they’re lucky they’ll actually get it running, but good luck doing anything useful with it if you don’t know how to set up tool calls for web search and such. Their eyes will glaze over the moment you talk about MCP servers and api keys.

We can debate this all day but I’m just telling you what is literally happening right now

> Are they even using it to compete with us?

Yes. They are literally pitching to investors and businesses that they can fire all of us.

This is not the same thing though I understand the philosophical underpinnings do venn diagram to a degree.

For starters, and this can’t be overstated: scale.

Also, not profiting off it by converting it into a product that competes with the stolen material and its creator. And pirates aren’t generally funded by VC’s.

I am so tired of people dismissing claims that these are plagiarism devices. The creators literally know they essentially stole this work.

This is literally a conversation where they’re deciding if they’re willing to take on the risk, then determining “yes.“

And the worst part? They were absolutely right. They have not suffered any real consequences. And when people try to bring up this flagrant plagiarism and theft, they are shouted down by AI evangelists.

> This makes it sound like RL rewards a confident tone

Generally it does. Especially in groups. Hell look at the state of politics right now: it’s basically about being the loudest, least compromising, most confident voice in the room. It’s not just because people will assume you’re correct, it’s because if you are confidently saying something that someone wants to be right, then they’re often just going to follow it. We are all guilty of this.

If I’m turning to an LLM to diagnose something medical, I am probably frustrated or uncomfortable. Maybe I’m just scared. So this magic device just instantly spits out (allegedly) exactly what is wrong and exactly what I need to do with no hesitation. I am very liable to just take it at face value because I want an answer and it gave me one, as we have seen over and over again since ChatGPT was unleashed on the world.

We don’t really need to speculate, this is already a problem.

ChatGPT also isn’t going to tell you when your idea is a bad one and will happily assist you in your (unknowing) efforts to brick your computer. So there’s that.

You think your phrasing wasn’t “malicious”?

>I don't understand your comprehension problems.

You can make your point but you can’t and shouldn’t talk to people like this here. Especially when it’s clearly so unwarranted.

One call: “hey saw the m&m requirement. Respect, but we aren’t doing it of course. See yall at the show.”

And as somebody who has been on the receiving end of funny riders, a simple message to the talent’s team indicating you saw it but that you don’t plan to carry it out is usually sufficient. All they care about is whether or not you were paying attention.

Basically they want the state to build them a moat

No, it sounds like somebody motivated by not having monkeys unleashed in a sensitive environment.

Fire up a local agent and give it total access to your computer. Holler back in a week.

Well the precedent being set right now is “whoops aren’t we stinkers.” So I agree with you but it’s not how it’s playing out at all.

Everyone keeps talking about terminator scenarios or whatever, but the thing that scares me the most is what happens when people let agents run amuck in systems they should not be in, then the agent just starts doing random shit as the context overflows. We’ve all seen it. They just descend into madness, but what happens when they collapse with a hand on the wheel of, say, a backup generator at a hospital?

Those first few messages LLM’s tend to seem very together. They follow your rules pretty well. With every token they get less reliable and more likely to ignore your guardrails.

No you’re just being a Principal Skinner about this.

And how many economies have buckled under massive military expenditure? The USSR sure wasn’t enjoying the expense.

That would explain it!

I swear I’m having déjà vu. Didn’t this exact post go up on HN like 2 days ago and somebody mentioned tree links as one of the top comments?

this is not me being all “OH MY GOD REPOST” I’m just scratching my head because I swear I saw this exact thread the other day ha

>DoW

DoD. Gulf of Mexico. Lake Ontario.

That’s not even remotely what we’re talking about.

> Approximately nobody “flies for fun” under that tortured definition.

Yes. That is exactly how it’s supposed to be used. The vast majority of people do not enjoy the airport/airline experience and were there any other reasonable way to get where they are going they would probably take it. They are not doing it because it is fun, they are doing it because they have to.