2,491 karma · joined November 27, 2017
Why would you expect to only pay for the price of building it?
There is also a lot of value in land itself, the view from it, the infrastructure around that land, what other people (And businesses, and schools, airports, restaurants, etc. etc. etc.) live there in close proximity. What laws are in place on that general part of earth... There is so much more at play here than "cost of building it".
They only are insane if you insist on living centrally in large cities. Which you can't do anyway if you live in a van. So it's hard to give a lot of weight to this prediction.
#define LATEST_BLOCK_BEFORE_EMERGENCE_OF_QC 76283747
# fill in number when that happens
if (block_height>LATEST_BLOCK_BEFORE_EMERGENCE_OF_QC) {
# Treat transaction as invalid if it still uses SHA256
}
I really wish people would research a bit more before posting these questions here. The quantum computing argument has been asked a thousands times before, it was first seen shortly after the bitcoin paper was published, it has been answered and re-answered and re-answered so many times, everywhere. And yet here we are filling the internet with more and more copies...
Also I couldn't because without understanding what kind of "logical definition" you supposedly have for a term like "love" it is impossible for me to know what kind of logic you expect to find in a term like "free will". There is like 10 differnet ways to explain it with different kinds of logic, how am I supposed to know which one you want to hear? That is the beauty and utility of intuitive terms, that they gather together so many different meanings and are not limited to some inferior mental ego model/rigid definition.
> https://play.aidungeon.io/main/landing
So you couldn't even find one example huh? That link not people talking to GPT as a converstaion with an sentient being. That's people playing an RPG with procedurally generated content. In the same way as when people also play Tetris sometimes. But we don't assume that Tetris has free will either.
I am surprised at how you can't understand that there are terms that are insanely useful and yet can't be defined exactly 100%.
But ok I agree to play this game if you first define the term "love" to me real quick?
>Weirdly enough people still talk to GPT-3 bots for longer than 10 minutes.
Show some sources. I don't care about 1 uncommon person doing it once, and that just to prove that they technically can, or while being high, or someone being tricked into it and for a short while falling for it..., I am saying that in general people don't. You spend interestingly huge amount of effort to not see this obvious point...
This is exactly what they don't do - they don't choose. Rocks attract each other all the time, every time, with fixed force. When people talk, they routinely agree/disagree, convinced/unconvinced, they choose different topics, they choose words, they choose what they think. You are demonstrating the exactly how those two things are nothing alike.
Yeah, purposes like living human life. Very interesting and meaningful endeavor, I highly recommend it. Instead of only restricting yourself to philosophical a-b-c logic, you can live and experience life as well.
>deterministic system is incapable of deterministically outputting a strings that audience members could interpret as referring to a mental state.
What is the point of that conjecture? Are you trying to equate yourself with a deterministic markov-chain generator?
In that case I have even less reason to communicate with you. It's like you have even further proved my point to comparing yourself to it, because it makes the distinction perfectly clear: when someone knows they are talking to a GPT-3, they immediately recognize that there is no reason to keep talking to it. "Free will" is a very good explanation for why people feel that way. They know that some humans have free will, and GPT-3 certainly does not, and they don't feel any reason to talk to anything that does not. You could have some other terms also describing this phenomenon, but free will is a good and useful one.
This is also the reason why people don't spend time talking to GPT-3, other than for 10 minutes as a fun thing. And after 10 minutes it is not even fun anymore.
Then explain what is "wrong" about it. When you write "I don't know what to write about it but it's wrong" indicates an ideological conviction which is not based on true developed thought process behind it.
Like explain for example: if you have no free will, why should I communicate with you? Why would that be interesting to me? Like talking to a wristwatch? It's certainly very complicated as well, but I have no reason to communicate with it as if it was my peer.
>If we only did things because of a roll of the dice
Who said anything about rolling a dice?
Having a conversation is like attracting rocks? What? Those things have 0.001% in common...
Maybe you are just not aware of what you really deeply believe about it?
> but “demonstrating free will” is not one of them AFAIK.
Free will is not the main reason for posting. But it is one of prerequisites for assuming it is a meaningful activity.
It is an argument ad absurdum that is meant to demonstrate how naive it is to try to prove that free will does not exist (naive and disingenuine: "prove to <someone>" already implies <someone> has a free will to ultimately agree or disagree with the presented proof).
Alright. They pointed to how you used the concept of "of the opinion". This is the phrase that you have used yourself in the previous comment.
Even if the conversation wasn't about free will, that phrase would indicate something meaningful about your thought process, which is why you used it. Also we all, who read your comment had no trouble interpreting your phrase, and neither why you used it that way, what exactly you meant, and why it was meaningful to use it in that way.
Now, the poster who answered to you, pointed to that exact phrase, to ironically show to you that while you (one part of your mind) is sitting here and trying pretend that free will is a meaningless thing (~ to talk about), another part of your mind, uses the very concept of free will, to communicate to us about the first part. To make it clear: you saying "I am of the opinion of..." already implies that you assume that you have free will, to have opinions.
Now, as I am sure you are already preparing to congest about this point, there are many various definitions of free will, where some of them will be used in the concept of "I am of the opinion", and some of them will not be related to it, it is safe to say that there is at least a number of them that are usefully related to your claim.
The ones that are related go something like that: "if you truly had no free will, if you are a simple list of if/thens, or a dumb version of GPT-3, then why would we care that you had this opinion? rulesets cannot have opinions. If you did not have free will, there is no point in talking to you, your "opinion" doesn't matter, it's a meaningless term. But since we choose (consciously or subconsciously) to communicate with you, to discuss your "opinion", it means that we are taking a chance that you do have free will so that we can communicate with you".
Now, that line of reasoning - it's not 100% ironclad, there are presuppositions and assumptions, and this is partly what I meant when I said "coherence of the concept of free will is icky", but I think it is safe to say that you could at least follow it. To do that, you had to use the concept of free will, at least subconsciously, because the concept of "I am of the opinion" is based on it in some form. And since you used that phrase from the beginning, it is already assumed to be useful to you. (Why would you use it otherwise? Do you just type words into ether for no reason?)
It is not the best or most useful explanation of the usefulness of the term free will in general, but it is one of the best that I can see that can directly relate to the funny thing that happened between you and that poster, which you didn't seem to get. Hopefully, if you get the humor, that will tell you much more about the deeper intuitions about the term "free will", than what the logical overthinking about it can.
I am not saying that we can't understand free will with logic. I am saying that in this specific case, the interesting point was the irony and the intuitive connection, instead of logical explanations.
> Perhaps so but the existence of day-to-day commonplace irrationality is no justification for importing irrational specters into philosophy.
How do you equate "usefulness" with "irrationality"?
I said there are useful, meaningful (well-seving as tools of thinking and awareness-ing) concepts that don't have coherent, well-defined borders or black-and-white definitions. That is not the same as them being irrational. A lot of concepts can't be put in very limited contraints of a-b-c logic. And yet we have other faculties that allow us to reason about these concepts. Meaning, we use those concepts because they help us understand the world and pursue our goals.
One thing is internet connections that are initiated by user, or in the background from the apps that user voluntarily installed and wants to provide them a specific services.
Another thing is when a phone has a bunch of add-on adware (in some cases spyware) ,built-in into the phone, without user's knowledge, without user's consent and most of the time even ability to choose. Adware chosen by the manufacturer or provider, that is serving their purposes.
That is a clear existing distinction. It has nothing to do with being a smartphone or having an internet connection in general, or using a smartphone for internet-related tasks.
It is sad and amazing that not many more software developers, both big companies and indie devs realize how important that is. There is nothing lacking in modern generation of devices to have 100% fluent interface. The only problem is that the software in many cases doesn't optimize for it...
Intentional user connections, connected to user actions are one thing. Phone constantly sending pings to various addresses and services for no good reason - is very different.
Through which mechanism do you think they know it? If nobody ever tells them that some piece of code is bad, this mechanism doesn't do its job.
That's not how Bitcoin or any PoW works. The amount of energy used is not a direct function of number of wallets. It is not either a direct function of number of transactions.