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Candelaboat··on Candela P-12 taking off – Electric hydrofoiling passenger vessel [video]
Mikael at Candela, the hydrofoil maker, here. Our P-12 uses submerged hydrofoils and emplys a digital Flight controller, which stabilizes the craft by adjusting the angle of attack of the foils 100 times per second. So the pitching and heaving you found nauseating in the old Soviet Raketa and Kometa hydrofoils don't exist in P-12 - it's smooth sailing even in. chippy weather. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIp9OkMzZkM
Candelaboat··on Candela P-12 taking off – Electric hydrofoiling passenger vessel [video]
Mikael at Candela here. Norway is indeed a target market for us!
Candelaboat··on Candela P-12 taking off – Electric hydrofoiling passenger vessel [video]
Mikael at Candela here. Our C-8 can foil in wave heights of around 1.2m, which are pretty big waves for a 27-foot leisure boat. The P-12 is designed for much bigger waves, and can foil in 2 meter high waves, meaning it will be able to cover rough weather in archipelagos and littoral waters. The catamaran hull is also efficient at slower speeds up to 10 knots, if the weather would not permit foiling.
Candelaboat··on Candela P-12 taking off – Electric hydrofoiling passenger vessel [video]
Hi there, Mikael at Candela here. Since the P-12 uses 80% less energy than a conventional vessel, the cost of operating it is far less than diesel vessels- overall around 50% percent lower including service, energy, salaries etc. This makes electrification desirable for operators for the first time. Usually, conventional (non-foiling) electric vessels are more costly to purchase than diesel vessels, and more costly to operate too, as they require MW charging infrastructure on land. The P-12 uses a DC style charger of up to 175 kW, which is pretty affordable to install.
Candelaboat··on Candela C-8 revealed as mass-produceable flying hydrofoil electric boat
Feel free to ask me anything, I work at Candela!
Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Mikael at Candela here. The cost of replacing the foils vary, but considerably less than the lower unit of an outboard on 25 foot boats. I actually ran over a submerged chain and broke the foil once - the only time that has happened in Sweden. Took us an hour to replace it, so no big deal You hoist the foil/struts down completely and insert a new one.
Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Update: it's done. Thanks!
Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Hi, no problem, just wanted to clarify. The price is 250 00 euros, which indeed is expensive for a 25 foot boat, but still about 100 000 euros less expensive than conventional electric boats that can go fast - but not that far.

The price stems from a high production cost, the whole boat is built like an aircraft, in carbon fiber (the designer used to work at Eurocopter) to be as light as possible. The weight of the hull and deck is about 240 kg. So our main goal for the future is to reduce the costs - by a lot. But think about C-7 as the Tesla Roadster. But our foiling ferry for the city of Stockholm will be launched next year, and then people using the Stockholm public transport system can go foiling for 2€.

Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Mikael at Candela here. It's supposed to be "wake", not "wave" - sorry for this. The wake behind the boat is only 5cm, so no wake damage here:) The boat handles waves nicely, we can fly in up to 1,2 meter high waves - watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7I0pVpnytM

Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Good suggestion - thanks!
Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Mikael at Candela here. Because it's super hard to make the control system for an inherently unstable boat. It took five years of R&D to make it work in all manners of situations, banked turns etc. Conventional boat builders don't have access to software and control systems engineers, and tech companies seldom invest in the marien sector. But once we got it working, there are no real drawbacks, only benefits. Smooth, quiet, and fun to drive. Check out candela.com for more videos.
Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Waterskiing behind a Candela C-7 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAMlAcSEI1I&t=10s
Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Mikael at Candela, the hydrofoil boat maker, here. Yes, that's a key difficulty that has to be solved by using sensors that detect flight height, and distance to the waves, among other things. If the foil leaves the water, you ventilate and come down. We use a flight controller, a kind of computer, to perform these calculations. Some sailing boats have wands, ie a mechanical stick that detects waves in front of the boat,, but using ultrasonic sensors and adjustable hydrofoils is a way more accurate solution. Check us out here: candela.com
Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
There's a lot of vaporware out there, but this foiling ferry has been paid for by the City of Stockholm and will launch next year:

https://candelaspeedboat.com/public-transport/

Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Check out our foiling ferry P-30 that already is paid for by the city of Stockholm and will be launched Q4 2022:

https://candelaspeedboat.com/public-transport/

Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Mikael at Candela, the C-7 maker, here. Hydrofoils have a number of benefits, among them are: less slamming (up to a certain sea state), less drag and better fuel economy, and smaller wake. Boeing 929 Jetfoiler from the 1970's onwards and the Russian hydrofoils that were produced in large numbers during the 1950's-1980's largely used hydrofoils because they made smaller wakes (Russian river rockets) or handled choppy water well (Boeing, in Hong Kong and Japan).

At Candela, we use hydrofoils to reduce the energy usage, to be able to make an electric boat that has long range at high speeds, above 20 knots. Conventional hulls are hard to electrify since they need so much power. However, we use a new type of hydrofoil: fully submerged hydrofoils, that are more efficient but needs active stabilization from computers and software. The on-board Flight controller adjusts the hydrofoils at 100 hZ, or 100 times per second, which makes for a craft that won't pitch or heave. This tech was available in the 1970's - it's basically a very similar Flight controller as in an inherently unstable jet fighter like F-16 - but thanks to drones and smartphones, the price reduction of sensors makes it possible for us to offer this tech in a leisure boat.

And - we're scaling our electric hydrofoil tech to commercial ships. Right now, we're starting the construction of the world's first foiling electric shuttle ship for the city of Stockholm. At its launch next year, Candela P-30 will be the fastest electric ship ever at 30 knots, as well as most energy-efficient ship ever built. Energy usage is 1/10th of conventional diesel ships. Check it out here:

https://candelaspeedboat.com/public-transport/

Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Mikael at Candela, the maker of C-7 here. Yes: The hydrofoils reduce slamming by about 95% in waves that are up to 1,2 meters. If they're higher than that, you can always go slow. The boat has a 40 kWh battery pack in the keel, so it's a very stable craft even at slow speeds. Check out Candela.com.
Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Mikael at Candela, the maker of C-7, here. This post is inaccurate and frankly makes no sense. First, the waves will never capsize the boat. Due to low cog, it's virtually impossible to do - we've tried. You can manoeuvre just fine at all speeds, but at high speeds it's correct that you might not be able to avoid running over a log or other submerged objects. Same goes for regular planing boats at high speeds. If you hit something, the foil will withstand smaller objects - branches, debris - but is designed to come off should you hit a bigger object, such as a log. While the foil breaks off, the hull will stay intact and avoid damage. Now, on the other hand, if you hit a log with a conventional boat, there's a risk the hull is pierced and the boat sinks. Regarding the "weight ratio": hydrofoil boats are super energy efficient and need very little power at cruise speed compared to a traditional hull, which is why we use them for C-7. At 22 knots, the C-7 uses about 25 hp, which is pretty remarkable for a 25-foot boat. We have a passenger capacity of six persons, but have actually taken off with 10 persons on board - using a motor rated at 65 kW!
Candelaboat··on Hydrofoiling
Hi, I work for Candela in Sweden. 5cm is not the wave height the boat can handle. 5 cm is the height of the wake the boat produces, so almost no wake. You can go foiling in 1,2 meter high waves in 30 knots - check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7I0pVpnytM&t=8s
Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
Great question. What's different in our case is that the flight controller captures the boat’s movements from 7 sensors. Then it establishes the full-state 3×6 state matrix (position, velocity and acceleration with regards to position in x, y and x and rotation around the same axis). This is partly done using sensor fusion algorithms.

We then use the outputs to control the angle of attack, along the longitudinal axis of the foil, essentially twisting it. The R&D that has gone into making this work reliably enough for a consumer product is our secret sauce.

Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
Open waters on a windy day or the day after a windy day can be hard.

Check out our videos from the Caribbean and a comparison with an 8 meter aluminum boat in a choppy archipelago condition.

Can we foil in every single wave height there is? Abosolutely not, but our boats outperform regular boats in comfort in weathers where you'd normally bring out your 8 meter daycruiser/open boat.

It's also worth remembering that in rough seas, you can go down from the foils with no issue. You just cut the efficiency down to regular boat levels...

Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
There are plenty of markets & brands around the world that see lots of 8 meter sized day cruiser boats.

Remember that boating is very locally adapted, with many boat models from Sweden never being exported to other regions, due to regional preferences and sea conditions.

Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
Weeds can be an issue, unless the foils just cut through them. Taking off in a weed heavy water can be tricky, just like operating a jetski, a jet boat or a regular prop boat. It is true that a fish wouldn't fare too well either when hitting the leading edge of the foil, which is submerged to about 0.7 meters.

However, the foil can take quite a beating.

Regarding commercialization, which is a great question in itself, our experience tells us that it's due to: 1. It's hard to build controllable foils, especially in a "miniaturized" size like a 8 meter boat. 2. the technology to enable sufficient speed of electronic foil control hasn't been cheap nor good enough prior to the advent of consumer drones & smartphones.

Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
Gasoline when burned emits 2.3kgs of CO2 One can confidently assume 1.5 liters per nautical mile for an 8 meter petrol boat at speeds above 20 knots. That's 3450 grams per NM.

Our boats consume roughly 1 kwh per NM, from the grid. Swedish electricity generation emits about 15g of CO2 per kWh. That's even better than 99%.

Even in the US, in 2013, with 500g of CO2 per kWh, the emissions from a Candela are still 85% lower. And at least 99% lower locally in the water where the boat is being used.

It would be fantastic if all boating was done by sails, but saying that's the solution is like saying Tesla shouldn't have innovated on the automobile because there is already a technology for moving around on roads: bikes.

Do you suggest that nothing should be done about emissions on the water?

Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
We also use Torqeedo, and a 42 kWh battery (35 ish usable for foiling). The thing about range in electric boats is that you rarely get figures for range at different speeds. A 35 kwh regularly built motorboat won't get near 50 nautical miles at 20 knots plus, due to plain physics.
Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
You hit the nail on the head here. Safety is a key question that often comes up in discussions that we have with customers, and is of course a key focus in the development of the Candela model range.

As you mention, the deep V hull cuts waves pretty well, but we also have algorithms monitoring the position of the boat in 3D space, looking for signals that indicate a treacherous seastate or an unfavorable position of the boat. This means that we won't do the nose dives that you see in the sailing videos.

Be sure that we have landed unexpectedly quite a few times to get to where we are! :D

To sum it up, when you are accustomed to flying with the Seven and you know where the limits are in terms of wave handling, then it's no different from riding in a regular boat in choppy seas or high waves. Unruly seas require alert sailors, in all types of boats.

We're publishing a short video soon, purely focused on running through waves from large passenger ferries. Sub to our youtube to know when.

Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
To add to this, since our boats are foiling and carry a battery that's also in the BMW i3, we don't need super-fast charging to cover daily use.

A 22 kW charger, like a semi fast one you'd find on the road, which is about a 1/5th of the strength of a first gen Tesla Supercharger, would fill our battery 0-100% in 1.5 hours.

Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
That's a great question. Purpose. Even though some might consider boating a senseless activity, people around the world enjoy it dearly. Boating is simply one of the world's biggest outdoor activities.

We could have gone for trying to make people quit buying, using and spending on boats, but that seemed a lot harder than creating a better alternative to regular boats.

5 years of R&D, sweat, tears and big load of broken foils later, we are in full production with a boat that reduces local emissions by 99%, compared to fossil boats.

Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
Hey Sandworm. Candela here.

Sure, it's perfectly doable to put hydrofoils on any type of hull, especially passive hydrofoils. We tried, and it wasn't especially nice, nor efficient.

The trick is to use fully submerged ones. But those are much harder to keep stable, as they are inherently unstable. That's were our secret sauce is. We can control them through software similar to what you see in drones. Also, we've created the mechanical and structural components necessary for wave handling.

You won't find this type of innovation, especially the software, in any other boat in production. That's the new stuff.

Candelaboat··on Foiling Electric Boat
Hey Bullen, we do fine with 10 people on board. Check this video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1149405105441917

Do you also think that a Tesla Model 3, transporting 5 adults, but weighing in at above 1500kg is a bad idea?