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I’d love this feature too. Why not add it as an optional thing to enable and let users decide? Maybe just put a big warning in the docs and make it opt-in?

Dokku is AMAZING. I’ve been using it for about 6 years, never had a single problem with it and I host a lot of apps on a single instance server. Can’t recommend it enough

There is. At some point they might realize and you might not be paid anymore.

And this mindset + your background just keeps explaining your problems and struggles. Don't blame the tools.

> I been programing for 21 years, mostly php, c# and java.

I think this explains pretty well the difficulties you are having.

And also, you’ve been hired for the wrong job.

Vue2/vue3 ? I know of several companies that haven’t been able to update yet, and some probably won’t ever.

A company I workerd for has a large nuxt app they won’t be to upgrade any time soon.

Inertia.js is the way forward for me (and my company).

Just the way to use react or vue the way it was intended to be used, paired (in a beautiful way) with a real backend framework such as Laravel, Rails, Django or Adonis.

I’m so done with every weeks new “full stack framework” that doesn’t do anything but routing and has an uncertain future.

It’s not like they didn’t break everyone as well…

It’s a very shady company, and despite what it looks like, they’re more a marketing company than a tech one.

I’m glad I noticed this early and stopped using Next on time. For me the thing that made me realize this was their “hiding” (for as much as they can) and making it more difficult than intended of the call home metrics system in next. They refuse to add a setting to turn that off, and instead want you to set an env variable or run a npm command.

Just think about they do this and refuse to add a setting.

That’s how you know who you’re dealing with.

I think Inertia.js is the answer to this. It’s just some “glue” to make React/Vue/Svelte play nice (as the views) for any of the battle proven frameworks like Laravel, Django, Rails… or Adonis if you want to stay in node for the backend

So instead of using battle proven frameworks (such as Laravel, rails, Django, etc) you just invent your own?

Doesn’t sound like a great idea to me.

Cool, let’s bet on another framework which nobody knows where it will be next year, or if it will still exist at all.

At some point people will realize there’s some value on full stack batteries included frameworks that have been around for a long time.

For those that don't know it yet, Unpoly is very similar to HTMX. Same spirit, but has been around for longer, it is a bit less known and also more "high level" providing very useful abstractions like layers, hooks for custom code, "spa-like" navigation between pages, etc.

We can’t read the docs for you.

Did you even check the docs? Or just reading the title was enough to drop your opinion?

Terrible example.

So don’t use their opinions, use mine.

Until the next dev comes to the project and doesn’t agree with your opinions, right? I’ve seen this movie far too many times.

The main benefits of these frameworks is that they remove all the bike shedding decisions. And I trust more something used by a lot of people and battle proven even if I don’t 100% agree with everything.

What you think is the best library for validations is just an opinion as theirs, and for example I don’t think Zod is good at all. See? Now on a team of 5 people we have 6 different preferences and we have to schedule 10 meetings to decide what library is best. And next month we will regret using it anyways.

There is a reason Rails, Laravel, Django etc are so popular in their ecosystem.

I honestly don’t believe the “I can do better all of this by myself”. It’s usually an undocumented, unproven, buggy and insecure mess that only the main author knows how it works.

That’s why I think the most sane way to use React (or Vue) nowadays is through Inertia.js.

Have a proper backend doing all the backend stuff and just render page components as if they where just the views of the framework.

All this server components nonsense is solving a problem that maybe Facebook has but almost no one else does. But people think they do, so a lot of complexity is added for no real reason.

I'm so done with React. Since Vercel kidnapped it everything is done for/because of their platform and their interests. Most evil company I've seen in a long time.

Nice, but this works only for simple and minimal stuff. Maybe up to a landing page. Anything else and this totally breaks down.

Adonis + Inertia or Laravel + Inertia

Checkout Inertiajs , it’s and adapter for Laravel to integrate it with react or vue

Sure, it looks like you are the only one doing it right and everyone is an impostor.

Most narcissist high on the hill comment I’ve ever read on HN.

GTFO.

It’s pretty marketed though. That’s why it has become more popular than Unpoly, which has been around for longer, was not rewritten 10 times, and has a lot more useful features.

I agree Adonis doesn’t feel like js, but guess what, applying rails conventions will lead you to the same problem, it won’t feel as js either.

Also, react has nothing to do with all of this. This is about backend.

Laravel is a great example of this kind of framework, and with inertia you can use react in a sensible way.

And also, htmx is no way the solution to anything g of this. It’s only useful for the minimal examples, you can build anything slightly advanced with it without everything becoming a mess.

I still remember my uin and password.

I still miss that “watooo” sound when you received a message.

Good times. Thanks for being part of my first days on the internet. Rest in peace.

Wow. FoxPro. Good times! I’ve never found anything as productive since Visual FoxPro.

+1 for Unpoly.

Hey! But those sweet download stats! Now it’s bigger than next and that’s the only thing that matters.

> It means the old versions are pretty good and people are still using them

That's a very optimistic view of the situation.

yes https://remix.run/blog/remixing-shopify