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It is remarkable that top 4 IITs combined make up 5.2% of undergrad degrees of CS professors right after MIT 5.9% and ahead of Harvard at 3.1%. What is even more impressive is the fact that these four IITs admit around 140-150 students into the Computer Science program every year. It will be interesting to know how many undergrads graduate with CS/EE degrees from MIT and Harvard. Nehru's vision (India's first prime minister) for creating IITs was producing best technical minds for the development of new independent India, what happened instead was IITs attracted the best and brightest in India and became the number one exporter of top technical minds to USA. This brain-drain seemed to have slowed down a bit in the last decade.

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I suspect that many non-CS folks go onto CS Phd programs. I have heard that undergrad major at top Indian schools reflecting signaling (certain majors in certain years get the better students, independent of student interest) which is why major isn't a reliable indicator. (Not so much in the US too)

Having worked with many folks from IIT, it is a fantastic source of raw intelligence. I view it more similar to CalTech. Coming from a rich family, being a star athlete, or student body leader doesn't help. It's all about the academics.

I suspect the opposite is true. Mostly IIT CS/EE majors get into the top CS PhD programs. Many non-CS folks, sure change professions to being programmers but rarely graduate with a stellar PhD from a top 5 (10?) computer science program. Most of these IIT grads have to apply to graduate school with 6 semesters of work. Without a CS/EE degree, and a recommendation of a top IIT CS prof (who has a good reputation of sending top students regularly to graduate programs) whose students get pattern matched by the selection committee's from top 10 CS schools, it is next to impossible for a non-CS IIT grad to compete with a typical top 10 graduating CS grad (9.4 + GPA, probably some Math/Phy/Chem olympiad medal or ICPC finalist/winner, almost perfect GRE scores, may 1/2 ACM conference papers). Please note that I emphasize the top 10 CS schools part quite a bit because the game of finding an asst prof job is heavily rigged and top 10 CS school grads have a major advantage over others here.

Thank you for clarifying. In hindsight I think you're right. There is a higher burden on the foreign student. An MIT EE or applied math undergrad with a lot of CS classes can get into MIT's Phd program without the CS degree, while it's tougher from someone unknown to the faculty.

"It will be interesting to know how many undergrads graduate with CS/EE degrees from MIT...."

Before the dot.com crash, it was ~ 40% of the undergraduates for more than a couple of decades, ~ 400 students. After, enrollment dropped by a bit more than half, and as of late it's climbed back up a great deal.

Is that 140-150 students total for those 4 ITTs, or for each?

Until the late 90s it was about 35 per IIT for CS, so about 140 for the top 4 IITs. After that it was about 50 per IIT, so 200 in all. Double these numbers if you want to include EE as well.

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