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I've been lowkey rooting for them, not a fan of Altman, and I don't know if I trust Anthropic either, I'm not Google's #1 fan, but I think they can definitely innovate heavily in this field, they have a lot of key things as has been mentioned.

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I'd add that we've seen how the leadership/reputation of different AI leaders, and with 2 decades of history with Larry and Sergey, they seem to come up on top as the most respectable.

Did they ever really abuse the power Google could have wielded? I could be missing something, but for the most part they seem to just get down to building and pushing technology/science forward and avoid drama rather than welcome it.

They're literally not upstreaming Android security fixes:

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117282080803799576

> Google should not be gatekeeping security patches to the standard Android platform code from Android OEMs but that's what they've started doing.

The whole Android developer verification program controversy.

These 2 are the recent things that come to mind that are most adjacent to "power-abuse".

They are a search and ads monopoly, so there is that.

Eh, people are pretty upset about the ad-driven nature of the internet which was largely spearheaded by Google.

However, I don't think the alternative would have made people any happier (and frankly they probably would be justifiably even more angry)

Can you give any hypothetical examples that you have in mind. World without google and how (even more angry)

Ehh, the internet was worse before Google. Google actually became popular for having a nice blank page with only the search bar. Even the ads they had later were much cleaner compared to yahoo, altavista, lycos, aol and other firms of that time.

Google, with the help of Facebook, destroyed the independent online publishing business. They made it impossible to maintain an honest publication and tunneled users to low quality websites until there's not much left of respect.

Both founders are in the Epstein files, with Sergey Brin visiting Epstein's private island.

Come on but who hasn't been there really, freaking Steven Hawking was there...

I am not rooting for them, I don’t own stock from either just that like GP I was sure by now Google would have eaten others’ lunch. I was expecting a Gemini 4 before Mythos/Fable and Astra just from what GP pointed out: a cash hose, data centers, good engineers. But I underestimated the investment others would keeping absorbing so started to lose confidence in my Google prediction. Let’s see how Gemini 4 holds up. Are we going to see a flurry of scientific and mathematical breakthroughs from it?

Please check Gemini's t and c, as the last time I checked when they had a good pro model (3.1) you couldn't turn off training on your data with a paid account .

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