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Comment by taylorfinley | Hacker News Reader

This doesn't require an influence operation.

American models are closed, expensive, neutered, and make Dario and Sam even more rich and powerful.

Chinese models are open-weight, cheap, neutered only about things like Tiananmen Square and the treatment of Uyghurs, and scare Sam and Dario.

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The Uyghur thing is so weird, the number one killer of Muslims is the United States. We're supposed to hate China because they force them to go to cultural schools and assimilate, a practice countries like Norway still do to this day with migrants.

There are more people who go to church on Sundays in China than the United States. There are 10x more mosques in China than the United States.

Tiananmen square was a student revolt literally egged on by cold war western institutions, who attempted to use chinese students as pawns for geo-political games.

Westerners really need to rethink their opinions on China, it seems obvious to me they are not the ones to be worried about (although, all governments do tons of harm).

I simply mean the Chinese models will refuse sensitive domestic issues, which are unlikely to affect the average user's work, while American models refuse things that can limit their utility, e.g. how the HF team had to investigate the openai attack with Chinese models because the American models refused.

(I mainly mentioned those specific topics to establish clearly I am not part of the alleged influence operation.)

You compare Norwegian treatment of immigrants to Chinese Uyghurs?

You don't know anything about how the Chinese treat Uyghurs other than what you're told through western propaganda that you then repeat like you're pavlovs dog whenever the word gets brought up.

Yes, its quite similar. Norway forces people to attend cultural schooling, where theyre provided housing in the interim. Its quite similar. However, the migrants in Norway are there because the Norwegian state through its participation in NATO murdered millions of people in the middle east. Which China has not done.

Go take a trip to Xinjiang.

Then go take a trip to parts of Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan or Palestine and tell me which nations are treating muslims worse.

I reiterate, more people go to church in China on Sunday than the USA. There are 10x more musjids in China than in the USA.

Please go live in China for a couple years and you'll realize everything you're told about China is a complete lie.

> Norwegian state through its participation in NATO murdered millions of people in the middle east

I'll file this under "blatant lie" unless you can provide at least three reliable sources for your claim.

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