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Or maybe, the "hacker" philosophy that this site is named after, is strongly opposed to the philosophies that the American labs seem to be operating on?

anyways, remember HN rules: "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data."

It has nothing to do with open vs closed or "hacker" philosphy. See this the announcement of the closed Seedance 2.5 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49138302

Direct quote from the second top comment:

> Whenever I see the new releases around video generation (and image) generation models, I get goosebumps, because it just feels so fun to work with them.

Compare that with the launch of ChatGPT Image of yesterday.

maybe that person was not awake to comment on yesterday's post? You're trying to force the reality to match your preexisting conclusion.

> posts on American models are steered towards controversy and anti-AI sentiment, posts on Chinese models are full of blatant flattery

So why, for example, are posts on the Inkling[1] release (an American model) thread mostly positive? It's as if there's something else at play here, but I can't quite put my finger on it, hmm... :P

[1] -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48924912

Not Chinese/American models. We are talking about open-weight (and their detailed tech report) and close-weight (with non-sense restrictions)

Google's Gemma models are usually celebrated, so were the llamas. If Meta releases Muse Spark it will also be a good thing. If Anthropic released a great open weight model I am sure that post won't be steered towards controversy and anti-AI sentiment.

It so happens Chinese companies are more friendly towards open weights, autonomy and freedom that most US based ones. Who would have guessed?

umm what are you talking about? Basically this crowd (esp. folks like me who run medium models locally) like open stuff and can be a tiny bit unenthused about opaque mysteries handed down from on high. You'll see people delighted with Gemma releases and heck even IBM's Granite models (boring architecturally though they may be) every time they come out. Heck I was chuffed about gpt-oss-120b for weeks. @sama give us another already!

This doesn't require an influence operation.

American models are closed, expensive, neutered, and make Dario and Sam even more rich and powerful.

Chinese models are open-weight, cheap, neutered only about things like Tiananmen Square and the treatment of Uyghurs, and scare Sam and Dario.

The Uyghur thing is so weird, the number one killer of Muslims is the United States. We're supposed to hate China because they force them to go to cultural schools and assimilate, a practice countries like Norway still do to this day with migrants.

There are more people who go to church on Sundays in China than the United States. There are 10x more mosques in China than the United States.

Tiananmen square was a student revolt literally egged on by cold war western institutions, who attempted to use chinese students as pawns for geo-political games.

Westerners really need to rethink their opinions on China, it seems obvious to me they are not the ones to be worried about (although, all governments do tons of harm).

I simply mean the Chinese models will refuse sensitive domestic issues, which are unlikely to affect the average user's work, while American models refuse things that can limit their utility, e.g. how the HF team had to investigate the openai attack with Chinese models because the American models refused.

(I mainly mentioned those specific topics to establish clearly I am not part of the alleged influence operation.)

You compare Norwegian treatment of immigrants to Chinese Uyghurs?

You don't know anything about how the Chinese treat Uyghurs other than what you're told through western propaganda that you then repeat like you're pavlovs dog whenever the word gets brought up.

Yes, its quite similar. Norway forces people to attend cultural schooling, where theyre provided housing in the interim. Its quite similar. However, the migrants in Norway are there because the Norwegian state through its participation in NATO murdered millions of people in the middle east. Which China has not done.

Go take a trip to Xinjiang.

Then go take a trip to parts of Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan or Palestine and tell me which nations are treating muslims worse.

I reiterate, more people go to church in China on Sunday than the USA. There are 10x more musjids in China than in the USA.

Please go live in China for a couple years and you'll realize everything you're told about China is a complete lie.

> Norwegian state through its participation in NATO murdered millions of people in the middle east

I'll file this under "blatant lie" unless you can provide at least three reliable sources for your claim.

This post doesn't even allege this...

Weird of you to turn technical discussions into weird nationalistic debates. Maybe lay off the X algo, I think elon has oneshot your brain. .

Your source: vibes

Deepseek's source: mostly open

i wonder if there's any relationship hmmmm

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