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It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience.

I don’t agree with the nanny state approach. America is already too obsessed with violence being ok and any kind of sex/nudity being completely evil. I don’t have an actual answer but having a moral panic over it is not the solution.

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> any kind of sex/nudity

Worth considering that this isn’t “any kind”, it’s a very specific kind. It’s nudity of minors they personally know, shared in their community. It’s on a different level than, say, consensual nudity from a stranger in a Playboy magazine.

I wonder if this kind of problem happens a lot less in societies that treat public nudity as normal (e.g. nude saunas, topless beaches in European/Scandinavian countries).

If you think European kids aren't making deep fakes of other kids...

Surprise.

let me parse what you're saying: you're saying there are no issues with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends. You're saying that's is " normal and part of the human experience."

Am I getting this wrong?

Do you have an issue with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends in their minds? What if they drew them? What if they photoshopped them? What if they had an AI make them? I suppose if I used such an uncharitable reading of your comment I would ask you're some kind of puritan supporter of thoughtcrime. Am I getting this wrong?

Being curious about other people's bodies is part of the human experience. Sharing unwanted graphic depictions of them, is not the most mature act, but doesn't rise to the level extreme punishment as advocated by the GP.

Rape culture starts young. This needs to be nipped in the bud.

No you are correct. A lot of people seem to think that the solution is to tell all the girls who are affected by this to get over it and that they should be flattered.

And that's still a better solution than telling them to be traumatized by fake depictions that never even happened, or allowing advocates to use this as a wedge to put more restriction on speech. At least the 2A supporters have the balls to say "from my cold dead hands", who is there stand for 1A?

You misparsed. Should it be a crime for a person to imagine another person nude within their mind?

using AI to deepfake minors is beyond one's imagination

That is not what the person you were responding to said. Let me quote the full context (emphasis mine):

> It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience.

I disagree, I think _you_ are misreading OP's comment and I genuinely think my interpretation is correct.

To me the nudity isn't an issue, it's the bullying. Then again I'm not American.

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