Redeemable children can make horrific mistakes. The job of parents, and pastoral adults is to maintain an environment where kids can exist without making irreparable, life-destroying mistakes. Let them learn, but limit the damage they can accidentally cajole themselves into doing.
That means limiting access to social media, phones and cameras. Turning the school clock back to 1995.
Certainly there needs to be repercussions, the kids need to learn, and need to be warned in advance, but kids will do dumb things.
You can talk about news coverage, but you can't force 12 year olds to watch the news, or understand how their actions have consequences. When the consequences do come, the focus needs to be primary on rehabilitation and restitution for the first instance.
Saying "don't make a fake picture of anybody naked or you'll go to jail and your life will be ruined forever" sure seems like a form of censorship
A proper society should educate people about things they can't get rid of anymore.
And no you can't just put teenager, which have not fully formed brains yet, into prison for fake nudity
Teach them compassion and empathy. Teach them why their actions hurt.
Yet the consequences for the victims may last a lifetime and be both intrinsic and extrinsic. Sexually forcing themselves on a drunk colleague at a party or taking their dad’s gun and shooting up their classmates also only takes a few minutes, but can scar a community for years.
I’m not going to opine on what the punishment should be, though it seems clear there should be one and more than a slap on the wrist. The community where this took place (i.e. those who are living through it) should probably have a say in it. There should also probably be an investigation of how this came to pass, i.e. has this kid always been an asshole with a pattern of behaviour or have they recently been indoctrinated by manosphere bullshit and should get counselling to understand their actions and that women are people too and deserving of respect?
And there is a huge difference between clarifying with people what fake AI is vs. real nudity.
You can't just put a kid into prison because they copy pasted a head from someone onto some body.
Of course they should. I’m not saying they should get to unilaterally decide, but you should listen to the people who are affected. Don’t just ignore the people, the law is meant to serve them. Elected officials exist to represent the will of the constituents.
For example, let’s say you do something which is against the law but only affects the community you’re in and no one else, and the community not only doesn’t mind what you did, they are thankful. Should you be punished?
> A independent judge should do this to make sure its fair.
What do you think a judge does? They aren’t robots who only interpret a book, they listen to the people in a case and make a decision in context and within the framework of the law.
Furthermore, “independent judge” does in no way guarantee “fair”. Decades of interminably biased decisions aren’t going to stop now (definitely not with the current state of the US and its supreme court).
> You can't just put a kid into prison
Again, I’m not going to opine on what the punishment should be. I haven’t suggested a punishment, don’t argue as if I did.
> because they copy pasted a head from someone onto some body.
You’re misrepresenting what happened. The kid didn’t go in there with scissors and hastily pasted a head into a picture in a magazine. We know the state of generative AI, we can presume it was a competent fake.
My point was that this type of technology is so easy to access and to do, its not easy to just make it illegal.
Take a picture out of the year book, copy it onto a body, done
I don’t agree with the nanny state approach. America is already too obsessed with violence being ok and any kind of sex/nudity being completely evil. I don’t have an actual answer but having a moral panic over it is not the solution.
Worth considering that this isn’t “any kind”, it’s a very specific kind. It’s nudity of minors they personally know, shared in their community. It’s on a different level than, say, consensual nudity from a stranger in a Playboy magazine.
Surprise.
Am I getting this wrong?
Being curious about other people's bodies is part of the human experience. Sharing unwanted graphic depictions of them, is not the most mature act, but doesn't rise to the level extreme punishment as advocated by the GP.
> It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience.
There’s really no way to close this Pandora’s box. So, I’d fight fire with fire instead of crying about it if I was a teen girl in this situation. Make deepfakes of the boys have micropenises and other potentially embarrassing things. And then just learn to laugh about it. If everyone is a target and victim the kids will find it boring fast enough and this will fizzle out. It’s not like these kids aren’t exposed to porn and all that early on. They all are, have been for years now, the victim here feel awful because they’re the only ones being targeted.
I know this sounds bat shit crazy but normalization of it is really all we can do now.
There’s a massive difference.
(And by the way the implicit comparison here between an image of stalin and an image of a teenage girl is more apt than most would care to admit given the ideological function fulfilled by sexualized images of young women in contemporary American society)
What is wrong with you?
It wouldn't be the first time a high-schooler killed themself over bullying.
Something millions died to protect in the great patriotic war.
Again, symbolic violence is worse than real violence to a lot of people.
I don't have sex in front of my friends and family for a reason, and I would appreciate my privacy protected by the state. And yes, privacy breach of this magnitude is probably worth 2-3 years (which basically means nothing for the first offense, let's be realistic, but makes the second offense way more consequencial).
It's not like I can stop you from imagining it.
Adding a GPU to the mix does make it any worse given that you already thought about it.
Otherwise this is insanity.
It's a disruption of an entire school and the learning process. Just like a bomb scare, or a fake fire alarm. Just because it's AI doesn't mean it gets a pass.
One of the points of punishment is to deter copycats.
I stand by my claim of insanity. I think your rebuttal says more about you than about the topic at hand.