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Ironically, Trump attacking Iran and closing the Strait is a boon to China and EV makers. Once the car is produced, aside from lubricants, it’s completely independent of oil. Heck you can put panels on your rooftop and slow charge it during the day.

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> you can put panels on your rooftop and slow charge it during the day

The real Mad Max will be roaming the apocalyptic wasteland in a Kia EV5.

Until the ICCU fails, at which point you're toast.

That was an EV6 issue, is it still present on the EV5?

All 800V eGMP Hyundai/Kia cars suffer from ICCU issues.

It may be a boon to EV makers everywhere including in China, but I don't think it's a boon to China generally as they buy a lot of their oil from the Gulf states. Thus they're more directly affected by the Hormuz shutdown than the US (which is a net oil exporter and is mostly only affected indirectly by price increases).

Like the Ukraine war, maybe one good thing thing we can say about this terrible situation is that it may encourage a lot of countries to move to renewables (or nuclear) sooner than they otherwise would and cut back on fossil fuels.

The energy crises of the 1970s caused people to start caring a lot more about fuel economy. Now we have the technology for people not to need to buy gas to propel their vehicle at all, and many of them once they switch they're never switching back.

The suuply chain for repair parts is still supported by oil (freight, packaging, any plastics).

Better hope your vehicle is never damaged.

Sure, but increasingly less so as electrification takes off. And using less gas means you can redirect that to the other derivative products such as plastic.

> freight

I know the US primarily uses diesel for its trains, but have you ever been outside of the US before?

Freight can also mean shipping, I’m not sure electric ships are a thing yet.

yes. And if you look at costs:

- $0.005 to $0.01 per ton-mile (for ocean ships)

- $0.05 to $0.08 per ton-mile (for diesel trucks)

- $0.015 – $0.025 per ton-mile (for electric trucks)

- $0.007 per ton-mile (for diesel trains)

- $0.002 per ton-mile (for electric trains)

- $0.002 – $0.004 per ton-mile (electric ships, not widely deployed yet due to battery weight)

i don't mind panels in the rooftop strictly for AC blowing while car's parked...

Car tires are made with synthetic rubber, which is made from oil.

Quick google math says you get 6 tires from a barrel of oil vs roughly 20 gallons of gas. Unless EVs mean you change tires every 300 miles or so I think we're good.

My ICE vehicles go through many more pounds of gasoline than they do tires. A set of tires is ~100lbs of material. 50,000mi of gas on a 30mpg vehicle is 10,000lbs of gas.

The big concern is burning oil products into the atmosphere: that means fuels. Using oil to produce rubbers and plastics is less of a concern.

With where the Trumpists want to take us, tires made out of carved stone will suffice. Non-EVs will be retrofitted with a hole in the floor for your feet.

>Heck you can put panels on your rooftop and slow charge it during the day.

The breakeven for this is so bad that it's only worth it for the gullible "wow" factor from the general public asking about it.

A friend of mine has a dozen panels in central France and pretty much provides all the energy for his Kia eNiro. He reckons the payback time is under five years.

This is exactly what I meant. Thanks.

Panels on the rooftop of the car...

When did I say on the rooftop of a car? There’s level 1 that could plug into an house outlet and level 2 from 220v. House charges the car and solar provides power to the house.

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