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While I also dislike the ghost runner, I can't deny that it's been a net positive for the game. By mostly eliminating marathon extra-inning slogs, not only does it speed up the game, but it also makes it much harder for teams to run out of pitchers they can safely use, which reduces injuries and ensures that we are not subjected to watching two backup catchers throw 48mph Eephus pitches in the 17th inning, long after they stopped selling beer.

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Long extra inning games are pretty rare. I too hate the “Manfred Man” but the players and coaches overwhelmingly approve of it. I think that using the ghost runner at the start of the 12th inning would be a good compromise.

I'm in favor of compromise, but why the 12th inning? Haven't looked at the data but from memory it does kind of feel like games that get to the 12th inning tend to last into, say, the 15th or later.

I think 12th based on (and I cannot emphasize this enough) vibes instead of data would be fine.

10th definitely feels too soon (it's basically the 9th), and the 11th still kinda feels too soon too.

If anything, I'd argue it should be fine to ask your closer/reliever to pitch an extra inning (the 10th) "as-is". The 11th makes you burn an extra reliever, and that should be okay.

The 12th is where I'd start to say "okay, wind it down, we're all losing now".

Again, just vibes.

Reminding me of the Mariners playoffs game a couple seasons ago that lasted 18 innings. That was bizarre to watch. I forget who they were facing. Astros I think?

I see it as a negative. Too many games are lost because a reliever gives up a couple fly ball outs and the Manfred Man comes round to score. I’d rather see ties than these fake wins.

Ties are allowed, but only in very special circumstances. If for some reason they can’t keep playing, the game is supposed to be suspended and then restarted at a later date. But if it’s the last time the two teams play each other in the season and the playoff tiebreaker rules aren’t an issue, they just end the game in a tie. It doesn’t show up in the standings, so you probably didn’t even realize it happens! The player stats count, however.

The last tie in baseball was in 2016 - Cubs vs Pirates. The game ended in the 6th inning due to rain.

I think I would be more OK with the ghost runner of it kicked in for beyond the 10th or 11th inning.

This is blasphemy.

One man’s slog is another man’s epic.

Baseball is supposed to be slow.

In a better would we would have slowed down life and society to match baseball’s pace, not turned it in to a TikTok abomination.

If you look at the article, you can see that games have been getting progressively slower since records started being kept back in the 1920s. The recent rule changes have managed to cut the duration back to what they were in the early 80s.

By your logic, the games my mom grew up watching weren't slow enough, and the games my grandma watched were true blasphemy at around 2 hours flat.

Meanwhile, from my wife's perspective, I spend all afternoon watching even these sped-up games.

Does watching or listening to baseball feel too fast-paced? I haven't played much attention to baseball in many years, but I agree with you, baseball is supposed to be slow.

Nothing cooler than staying up till 1:30 am with a radio under the covers to listen to the end of a 14 inning game.

All that baseball they’ve stolen from us just so the degenerate gamblers can get their fix quicker.

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