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I like the 1, 2, and 4 changes. My feelings about 3 and 6 are mixed. Absolutely dislike the last.

While I also dislike the ghost runner, I can't deny that it's been a net positive for the game. By mostly eliminating marathon extra-inning slogs, not only does it speed up the game, but it also makes it much harder for teams to run out of pitchers they can safely use, which reduces injuries and ensures that we are not subjected to watching two backup catchers throw 48mph Eephus pitches in the 17th inning, long after they stopped selling beer.

Nothing cooler than staying up till 1:30 am with a radio under the covers to listen to the end of a 14 inning game.

All that baseball they’ve stolen from us just so the degenerate gamblers can get their fix quicker.

Long extra inning games are pretty rare. I too hate the “Manfred Man” but the players and coaches overwhelmingly approve of it. I think that using the ghost runner at the start of the 12th inning would be a good compromise.

I'm in favor of compromise, but why the 12th inning? Haven't looked at the data but from memory it does kind of feel like games that get to the 12th inning tend to last into, say, the 15th or later.

I think 12th based on (and I cannot emphasize this enough) vibes instead of data would be fine.

10th definitely feels too soon (it's basically the 9th), and the 11th still kinda feels too soon too.

If anything, I'd argue it should be fine to ask your closer/reliever to pitch an extra inning (the 10th) "as-is". The 11th makes you burn an extra reliever, and that should be okay.

The 12th is where I'd start to say "okay, wind it down, we're all losing now".

Again, just vibes.

Reminding me of the Mariners playoffs game a couple seasons ago that lasted 18 innings. That was bizarre to watch. I forget who they were facing. Astros I think?

I think I would be more OK with the ghost runner of it kicked in for beyond the 10th or 11th inning.

I see it as a negative. Too many games are lost because a reliever gives up a couple fly ball outs and the Manfred Man comes round to score. I’d rather see ties than these fake wins.

Ties are allowed, but only in very special circumstances. If for some reason they can’t keep playing, the game is supposed to be suspended and then restarted at a later date. But if it’s the last time the two teams play each other in the season and the playoff tiebreaker rules aren’t an issue, they just end the game in a tie. It doesn’t show up in the standings, so you probably didn’t even realize it happens! The player stats count, however.

The last tie in baseball was in 2016 - Cubs vs Pirates. The game ended in the 6th inning due to rain.

This is blasphemy.

One man’s slog is another man’s epic.

Baseball is supposed to be slow.

In a better would we would have slowed down life and society to match baseball’s pace, not turned it in to a TikTok abomination.

Does watching or listening to baseball feel too fast-paced? I haven't played much attention to baseball in many years, but I agree with you, baseball is supposed to be slow.

If you look at the article, you can see that games have been getting progressively slower since records started being kept back in the 1920s. The recent rule changes have managed to cut the duration back to what they were in the early 80s.

By your logic, the games my mom grew up watching weren't slow enough, and the games my grandma watched were true blasphemy at around 2 hours flat.

Meanwhile, from my wife's perspective, I spend all afternoon watching even these sped-up games.

The ghost runner rule is by far the most ridiculous. A pitcher can give up no hits, and get an ER and the L in extra innings. Make it make sense. Baseball is also telling on itself here because that rule does not apply in the playoffs.

>A pitcher can give up no hits, and get an ER....

The ghost runner does not count as an earned run.

Absolutely nobody likes the Manfred runner except the players. The players like it because they get to leave work earlier and less tired.

Worth nothing the rule doesn't apply to the post season.

"Absolutely nobody" is trivially false.

Baseball games are way too long even before they get to extra innings. The two hour limit is the most important rule change that makes bananaball superior (but their other changes are also universally positive).

The lack of a time limit is to many one of the key elements of the game that differentiated it from pretty much every other professional sport.

“It ain’t over til the arbitrary time limit” doesn’t quite have the same ring to it.

Pandering to the few diehards who can pay attention to more than 100 games a year on every day of the week including weekdays for 4+ hours at a time is not a sustainable way to build or maintain interest in your sport in newer generations.

Just let it die with dignity. Baseball’s subtlety and pacing is incompatible with the current zeitgeist.

Desperately gimmickicng it up isn’t going to save it.

See also NASCAR’s fake cautions that make the first 3/4 of the race pointless.

The people who watch baseball and care about baseball don't like the Manfred runner. The people who complain that "baseball games are way too long even before they get to extra innings" aren't people who watch baseball and care about baseball. I don't care about the options baseball haters have about baseball rules.

Gamblers probably like it so they can get the results of their bet more predictably on time

I hate the removal of the shift. I thought it was such an interesting innovation to the game, and the fact that baseball allowed for such things part of its magic.

I'm with you. I think it should only apply to games that have fairly clearly gotten "stuck" and things are just dragging - like others have suggested, 12th inning seems like a reasonable start.

I've always felt a lot of intensity going into the 9th inning in any sort of lose came, even moreso if it's tied. And before the manfred man, that carried through if we went to the 10th or 11th.

Now it feels like as soon as we get to extra innings it's a shitshow. It's one thing if a pitcher has made a series of mistakes (or the fielders behind him) and you end up with someone on second and you throw a passed ball and someone scores. It's another when the first pitch of the half inning is a passed ball and this bizarro zombie runner scores on you.

I want to watch teams have to put together a string of "good baseball" moments to win, or at the very least watch a trainwreck in action if one team loses the game more than the other team won it. Or the majesty of a well-hit long ball, ideally with an excellent bat flip. The only thing that should be able to walk off the game in the very first at-bat of the bottom half of the inning is a home run.

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