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I looked at the first 30 votes on this submission. The median age of the accounts that voted is 9 years, and the median karma is 3243. Those aren't bots, and I didn't see any evidence of a voting ring.

It's extremely easy to perceive sinisterness and jump to nefarious conclusions about things like this—in fact it's the internet's favorite sport. That's why HN's guidelines specifically ask people not to post like this in the threads.

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It’s not. Here in Europe we’re all very frustrated with the situation. It’s just crazy that our most trusted ally has gone bat-shit crazy.

We're tired of funneling people and money into this meat grinder. We want peace, we see a potential peace deal, and you don't want to stop until Russia is "defeated", and we're just saying good luck with that. We don't have the war-lust that you do, and for that, we're "crazy"?

What "potential peace deal" are you talking about? Russia has no interest in peace while they have so many allies in the Whitehouse. Meanwhile they continue to bomb and kill Ukrainians.

Have you said thank you once!?!?

No war lust but you're threatening Gaza, Canada, Panama and Greenland?

What kind of “peace” though? The kind of peace that Bucha got when it was under occupation? Murder of civilians, torture chambers, rapes? Do you even have the slightest idea of the humanitarian catastrophe that this “peace” would be for Ukrainians after three years of fierce fighting?

Wanting to reduce your expense is one thing. But that’s not what you’re doing. You’re actively aiding Russia at the moment. To the point of pressuring private companies to not share satellite data, and threatening to cut off Starlink that Poland is paying for.

1. Who is “we”? The Ukraine are the ones who are invaded. 2. What potential peace deal? No peace deal has actually been provided by the US. 3. Who should decide whether the Ukraine gives up its territory, the Ukraine or the US?

After the recent move Putin is unwilling to have a cease fire. https://tass.ru/politika/23325211

Russian leader Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs rejected the possibility of a negotiated ceasefire on 6 March. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offens...

Imagine if Russia decided it wanted Alaska, and there'd be a stalemate meat grinder conflict in that area, and your European allies, who've been your closest supporters, were like "just give Putin what he wants bro. Who even cares about a little bit of Alaska? We're tired of supporting you and just want you to make peace, and will coordinate with Russia to knock some sense in you. All this talk of you wanting to 'defeat Russia' is just silly, gl with that"

If we want to fight it out, we'll fight it out. But we wouldn't call Europe crazy for not wanting to funnel their own money into it. Be real.

It's not only about the money either. The even bigger blow is the whole 180 the US government has made, now actively aiding Russia instead of Europe. If it was just about the money, it would be a bit easier to understand (though still a big blow to the mutual understanding of what is worth defending in the world). If it was about the money, the US would happily _sell_ equipment to Ukraine and let the EU foot the bill. That doesn't seem to be the case though.

America absolutely did call France crazy when they refused to invade Iraq with America.

And what - you're saying they should have? Like we should now? We should all just go to war all the time whenever someone calls for it?

Well by definition, when its your allies you should.

That's why France as well as the rest of NATO followed the US in Afghanistan.

No they are responding to your statement:

"But we wouldn't call Europe crazy"

with "um, you actually did."

Shutting down intelligence was not about money

'Freedom fries' bro. 'Freedom fries'.

Freedom Toast! ...mmhm... Yup!

It's really hard to look away when the collective West is crumbling right in front of our eyes. USAs new regime pulling its support of Europe and making friends with Russia is the biggest existential crisis Europe has faced in my lifetime.

What kind of bots??Ruzzian, Israel, Soros ?

As others said this is major thing in EU and probably Canada will make a move too if Elon says some other stupid shit .

It is indeed overrun with something evil, I had to switch to /active because anything critical of Musk is flagged away from the frontpage in seconds. At this rate the whole Hacker News will be completely irrelevant in a few weeks.

I mean we do get a few of them per week. I think there is a legit danger of too much heated political discussion changing the character of this site. I feel it's about the right dosage?

Anything critical of Musk flagged away? I don't think it's the right dosage at all.

The trouble with erasing tech-relevant political news is the news part of Hacker News. It can and does work on non-news forums, I frequent some of those. But here it looks like ...brigading, or whatever the correct term is, and it greatly diminishes the value of this site.

Dude wait until you see how quickly stories get flagged to reduce visibility here. Oh look, this one is already.

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