Poland says it may need alternative to Musk’s Starlink in Ukraine
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We have a tech company CEO, telling a foreign minister of a country, one of the biggest US ally in EU: "Be quiet, small man. You pay a tiny fraction of the cost. And there is no substitute for Starlink." Hell of a sales pitch for critical, national security grade, equipment.
Given the history of Musk lies, it's pretty certain that Poland / EU is actually paying the whole cost of said Starlinks.
It's also pretty sure that EU countries buying US military equipement is about to end. Even from Poland, which historically was buying a lot of US made equipment, against the wishes of EU.
If you wanted to piss off a favorable to you Eastern European country, you would be hard pressed to find a better way than saying 'Be quiet, small man'.
It's hard not to see the connection of YCombinator to Musk, maybe just a lot of people here are happy to defend him.
Also likely a lot of people who bought Tesla stock at silly valuations, and bought into the need to defend him at all costs.
One for Matt Levine (of "everything is securities fraud" fame); is it securities fraud to suppress negative news about the CEO of a company you own shares in on a niche webform?
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)
> The frequency initially chosen for Galileo would have made it impossible for the US to block the Galileo signals without also interfering with its own GPS signals. [...], but they have since reached the compromise that Galileo is to use different frequencies. This allows the blocking or jamming of either GNSS without affecting the other.
Interesting
The consequences of the antics of this administration (and Musk is part of it, no doubt) will be very far reaching. One of the more obvious consequences being the loss of credibility.
The guy really think is above everything and everybody.
And even Rubio, who you would expect to take an expected diplomatic approach, is now talking like Elon and JD, with "say thank you" bullying. Pretty shocking.
Rubio is a longtime political opportunist with no diplomatic experience or background and a history of knuckling under to Trump specifically. I’d expect him to be a consummate yes man as long as he is in the Administration (and I wouldn't expect anything the Administration might decide to cause him to leave, no matter how out of line with “expected diplomatic” norms), and its very clear the tone the Administration has decided on from the top.
Why would you have any other expectation?
dang is wrong.
In any reasonable world, US and Poland would be greatest allies. If there is any good sign that the giant is losing it's position (and does so willingly), this is it. As an european, I hope that all the strong words from European leaders will finally turn into actions and we will take a stronger and more sovereign place in the world.
I'm far from being anti-American, I'm European but travel there all the time. I probably spend about 10-20% of my time there. There's so much I appreciate in that culture. And yet, today I feel more Japanese or Taiwanese than American.
I still hope they get their act together, but we're not as weak without them as their current leadership thinks.
Everything would be settled if people just remembered to say "Thank you" a little more!
Thank you USA and in particular the president and DOGE for allowing me to write this post.
Thank you USA and in particular the president and DOGE for allowing me to write this post.
russians have been at Polish border for over 500 years, since creation of tsardom of russia.
Doesn't feel heartfelt enough. Try again.
He doesn’t even realize that Poland already borders Russia in the northeast. The arrogance coupled with the incompetence is staggering.
- "Just making things up. No one has made any threats about cutting Ukraine off from Starlink"
- "And say thank you because without Starlink Ukraine would have lost this war long ago and Russians would be on the border with Poland right now"
https://x.com/sikorskiradek/status/1898770943448600607
- "Thank you, Marco, for confirming that the brave soldiers of Ukraine can count on the vital internet service provided jointly by [USA] and [Poland]. Together, Europe and the United States can help [Ukraine] to achieve a just peace."
But how is that so? Why isn't there some whitelisting process for terminals used inside Ukraine? Or, hell, even analyzing the signal should tell starlink roughly what side and how far from the front it is.. That should have been a massive news story, it's been happening for years already.
But instead we skip straight to the timeline where all pretense of allyship goes out the window. At least EU space/rocket Industry might get a boost of funding out of this all.
It has been a massive news story, with the commensurate 17.5K upvotes and 2500 replies on Reddit all shouting that this is proof that Musk is pro-Russian. In the real world, whitelisting on this scale is very, very hard. Ukraine has decided that having access to it (and it is 110% required for Ukraine to work as a country) is more valuable than the benefit Russia also gets from it. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40247411>
My understanding is that right now every single building, company, agency, school, etc. in non-occupied Ukraine has a Starlink dish, even aside from the military use.
Well, it certainly is with the expertise that Musk and his DOGE can find.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43289805 ("US satellite company Maxar reportedly cuts off Ukraine's access to imagery", 75 comments)