Like most things medical you can't compare the risk to the population as a whole. Risk factors, environment and individual farms will vary risk greatly.
Like most things medical you can't compare the risk to the population as a whole. Risk factors, environment and individual farms will vary risk greatly.
Salmonella, e. coli, and listeria have killed people so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from. True, most people don't, but most people also don't die from flu, but some still do.
Any of the articles about it never mention fatalities.
You can get all the above from lettuce and deli meat.
has salmonella from raw milk killed anybody yet: your source says no.
it's just a matter of time before someone does die from salmonella from raw milk. Thanks to science that's a completely avoidable death, but to each their own. You're not forcing me to drink raw milk, and i'm not forcing you to drink processed milk.
and yes, wash your veggies.
That's a whataboutism, and a pivot. Just because you can get them from lettuce or deli meat doesn't mean you shouldn't consider it with raw milk.
Communicable fatal diseases are objectively scary. Tuberculosis is a communicable potentially fatal disease. You probably won't spread your e.coli. that you got from your undercooked hamburger by coughing on them, but you can spread your tuberculosis that way. These risks should thus be taken a lot more seriously and the statistics become more difficult.
I frankly do not give a shit if all you ever drink is raw milk in regards to disease that get you sick, use it to replace water, bathe in it for all I care, far be it for me to tell you how to live your life, but infectious airborne diseases are a different story to me.
I know all of this comes down to calculated risk, you can't get anything involving food down to zero risk and I never asserted as such, so fundamentally everything in regards to food comes down to "which risks do we want society to put up with?".
The reason I keep fixating on the tuberculosis point is that is a particularly nasty disease and I don't know the actual number of cases we should be willing to tolerate as a society, and AFAIK there's no TB vaccine.
You didn't say "it's usually not fatal", in which case I might agree. You said it's "your understanding that it's not fatal", so I was pointing out that your understanding was wrong.
I realize I'm being annoyingly pedantic on this, but I think it's a claim that needs to be addressed. It's important to know that you can get a disease from product X, whether it be from raw milk or lettuce or undercooked beef or whatever. Pretending that you cannot die from raw milk infections is dishonest.
I've not seen anything claiming TB is a risk even in sources like the CDC and FDA. Maybe it is, but given the small numbers of illness I'd wager it's something localized or that effects people with serious underlying health complications.
You didn't look very hard then. This was after a ten second search [1].
From the article:
> However, humans also can become infected, most commonly through consumption of unpasteurized milk products from infected cows.
Also this from the NIH [2]:
> Contamination of unpasteurized dairy products can occur by a variety of mechanisms: direct contact with bovine feces, transmission of the organisms from bovine skin/hide, bovine mastitis, primary bovine diseases (i.e., tuberculosis), and environmental contamination from insects, other animals, or humans (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2017a).