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why would you want GM in first place?

You've Japanese, German and to some extend even Korean cars that are much better. If pick up truck is what you're looking for, then Ford is much better

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The brands you are thinking of also likely have telematics with similar vague language about data collection. I've seen it in Nissans, Hondas, and Toyotas, personally.

If you're in the market for a smaller, cheap(ish) EV with decent range, the Chevy Bolt (used) is basically the only option, and honestly can be had for less than any equivalent ICE vehicle of similar quality/mileage

I just looked and that is some wild depreciation. In 2020 that went for 37k snd goes for 13k now. A 2020 Prius started lower and will go for 19k today.

It limited to 50Kw fast charging and the battery fires have put a damper on its reputation. Also its shaped like an egg. The EUV does not look much better (in my opinion)

That charge rate definitely makes it a commute/overnight charge uni-tasker. I wonder what the insurance table looks like for it.

Nissan Leaf?

Air cooled battery can really destroy long term reliability on these cars and also throttle charging if the battery is too hot.

The car is a 10+ year old design that was the brainchild of a CEO that is no longer there. The company does not really have a mentality of being an EV leader.

Defective by design. Still using essentially the same battery pack they designed in 2008 for the 2010 LEAF -- no cooling system whatsoever, emergency resistive heater that keeps it from freezing but doesn't otherwise warm it, obsolete CHAdeMO charging port -- just with more capacity. They had their first class action lawsuit about unacceptable levels of battery degradation in new LEAFs in 2012, yet didn't change the design, just the warranty. The larger packs are now having high defect rates for cell-level failures. They are only able to sell a few hundred of them a month in North America for good reason.

Tesla claims not to sell or transfer the data they collect, and offer opt-outs from most of it. You can, if you are willing to void your warranty, remove the GSM/LTE module from a Tesla fairly straightforwardly.

Tesla is an absolute no-fly zone for me, due to their stupid leader.

Probably because they assume those companies are doing the same thing?

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