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GM is trying really hard to not get my business in the future. Between the no Car Play and Android Auto support in their new EVs. Now this. I'm just tired man...

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GM seems to be floundering in mediocrity right now. They basically pump out generic, uninspired plastic boxes right now then try to nickel and dime their customers. In my opinion, foreign manufactures are absolutely eating their lunch right now.

Despite being children of an automotive family, with a deep loyalty for the Big 3, we've started to avoid their cars. While they can run forever, they just start failing apart.

The rebadged Commodores were a bright spot in the lineup for a while if you like that kind of thing

What are “foreign manufacturers?” Hondas and Toyotas have been built in the states for a long time. Chrysler has been a transnational merger for a while and Ford and GM have long histories of importing their overseas products.

Generally anything outside of the big 3 is considered foreign. It’s no longer fully accurate, but that’s how I’ve typically viewed it

How much of that foreign/domestic distinction do you think is marketing/propaganda?

Chevy Trax got C&D's highest 10/10 which is remarkable because GM's small cars are usually terrible...

and consumer reports seems to love the cousin Buick Envista.

I will never buy a GM until they stop turning their reverse lights on when they're not reversing. This one small feature has wreaked immeasurable havoc on parking lots across the world.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/rshlke/why_do_gm_vehi...

They've done that just fine for me by releasing... lame cars across the board. Most of their brands are shells of their former selves (especialllly Cadillac) and I can't remember the last time I saw a Chevy that I actually liked.

I mean, I get that. Part of it is irrational because my father worked for and retired from GM. So it's a bit of a family thing. But the loyalty has a limit and I believe Mary Barra has reached the limit for me.

We’ve already taken quite a few manufacturers off the list for this reason, including GM. Vote with dollars people. Take my data without permission, lose my business.

who is left on your list?

I am eyeing up Hyundai Ioniq 5/6. Any comments. Irony is keeping the dumb old Toyota is cheaper even with the crazy tax breaks in Australia! I could hand over $10k to carbon offset company instead and still be ahead with the ol banger. And have the convenience of what they call service stations :-)

Current Chevy Volt driver, have now written off GM from my list. Was considering an Ioniq 5 for my next car until I heard about the issues where a minor scrape on the bottom could require a $60K (Canadian dollars) battery replacement: https://youtu.be/EEXieo06ta8

Right now I’m just driving an old Toyota and don’t plan on buying another car. I expect all of this to explode at some point and resolve itself, or I’ll just keep rebuilding my old Toyota until I die.

It’s a shit show.

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/article...

Voting with your vote works even better.

If we vote with our dollars then the government just bails them out when they inevitably go bankrupt, again.

My counterargument to this ideology is that US States are currently on a banning spree to prevent ranked-choice voting, which allows more candidates to participate in elections, but without anybody "wasting their vote on 3rd parties."

First past the post voting, which is how US dual-party system prefers to elect, is a sham/joke/embarassment.

why would you want GM in first place?

You've Japanese, German and to some extend even Korean cars that are much better. If pick up truck is what you're looking for, then Ford is much better

If you're in the market for a smaller, cheap(ish) EV with decent range, the Chevy Bolt (used) is basically the only option, and honestly can be had for less than any equivalent ICE vehicle of similar quality/mileage

Nissan Leaf?

Air cooled battery can really destroy long term reliability on these cars and also throttle charging if the battery is too hot.

The car is a 10+ year old design that was the brainchild of a CEO that is no longer there. The company does not really have a mentality of being an EV leader.

Defective by design. Still using essentially the same battery pack they designed in 2008 for the 2010 LEAF -- no cooling system whatsoever, emergency resistive heater that keeps it from freezing but doesn't otherwise warm it, obsolete CHAdeMO charging port -- just with more capacity. They had their first class action lawsuit about unacceptable levels of battery degradation in new LEAFs in 2012, yet didn't change the design, just the warranty. The larger packs are now having high defect rates for cell-level failures. They are only able to sell a few hundred of them a month in North America for good reason.

I just looked and that is some wild depreciation. In 2020 that went for 37k snd goes for 13k now. A 2020 Prius started lower and will go for 19k today.

It limited to 50Kw fast charging and the battery fires have put a damper on its reputation. Also its shaped like an egg. The EUV does not look much better (in my opinion)

That charge rate definitely makes it a commute/overnight charge uni-tasker. I wonder what the insurance table looks like for it.

Probably because they assume those companies are doing the same thing?

The brands you are thinking of also likely have telematics with similar vague language about data collection. I've seen it in Nissans, Hondas, and Toyotas, personally.

Tesla claims not to sell or transfer the data they collect, and offer opt-outs from most of it. You can, if you are willing to void your warranty, remove the GSM/LTE module from a Tesla fairly straightforwardly.

Tesla is an absolute no-fly zone for me, due to their stupid leader.

> Between the no Car Play and Android Auto support in their new EVs.

Wait seriously? That's a wild choice.

yeah they're doin it themselves

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