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If you look at it as "the notch took away part of the screen", it's annoying. I see it like "the notch gave me new chunks of screen that wouldn't have been there otherwise".

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A customer should care about looking at a retail product with their own POV, not someone else's. This is the classic "you're holding it wrong" response.

OK. I'm the customer here, and I'm looking at it with my own POV. I think it's neat that I have extra pixels to hold the menu bar so that the rest of the screen can be dedicated to the apps I'm running.

Good, so are you going to pay Apple twice? Once for creating the problem, and again when they develop the under-screen tech to fix it?

Um, yeah? I bought my current laptop with the extra pixels at a time I needed a new laptop. If Apple comes up with a way to add more extra pixels by the next time I'm looking to buy one, I'll get that.

The notch is an improvement over the old thick bezel design. Presumably they'll find an even better solution down the road. When they do, I'm not going to complain that they didn't jump forward to the currently nonexistent technology on the first iteration.

It's called incremental innovation "this changes everything, again" (yawn!) , so they can slow talk you into opening up your wallet yet again. You can bet your bottom dollar if Apple saw a significant threat to their money maker, you'd see them eliminate the notch in gen 1 itself. Suddenly the "non existent" tech would magically appear.

I can't imagine how pissed you're going to be when they release a laptop that lasts 30 hours instead of 20 hours. Scammed again by evil Apple. :'(

The earth will thank you for creating more e-waste. /s

Not sure what is so joyous about opening your wallets for Apple. Normally people want more for their money, not less.

It's up to people to judge how much their money is worth. You just have a different POV compared to others.

You seem to be thinking that Apple will introduce under-screen cameras next... I highly doubt that. Under-screen will never have the fidelity of a camera without layers of screen in front of it. If anything the notch's dead space will become physically smaller, with the visible notch staying the same size to provide 'dynamic island' functionality, like on the iPhones. I'd pay for that.

Competitors have already introduced it, but the quality is shit, so Apple having a higher bar for image quality isn't quite ready to introduce it. They have been hard at work though.

https://www.patentlyapple.com/2023/12/apple-updates-their-un...

https://9to5mac.com/2023/12/06/under-screen-face-id-2/

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/iphone-under-display-ca...

The under screen tech doesn't even exist in a product today.

Did you want Apple to hold off on giving people extra real estate until that happened ?

You've already accepted the premise that Apple is "giving" a feature to the customer, so there doesn't seem to be any room for a conversation.

Under screen cameras have been in mass produced devices for 4 years.

Apple added 74 px vertically and the notch lives entirely in that space. It's simply more real estate. What is the "problem" they've created? That's like complaining about my apartment coming with a balcony

no it's just a fact. before the notch, the parts of the screen either side of it were not screen, but now they are. the complaints about the notch literally boil down to "it's not enough extra screen".

The only "fact" here is that Apple is going to milk you twice. Once when they sold you a knowingly flawed design and again, when they finally develop the tech to eliminate the notch, Apple fans will happily line up to pay them again.

It's more the classic glass half empty vs half full response. Although given the small size of the notch, it's more like 10% empty vs 90% full.

I don't see a problem with criticizing the one of richest companies in the world on legitimate issues, or holding them to a very high standard. They can defend themselves just fine. I'd give a smaller company much more leeway. I own several Apple products (often the ones I criticize the most are the ones I personally purchased and used long term), but I'm not part of the Apple "community" or other Apple fanbases.

“Screen half black vs half lit up”

This is even literally true as they made the screen (and screen resolution) bigger with the introduction of the notch. Given the existence of macOS's menubar I personally think it's a great design.

This. And makes the laptop smaller. I have a notchless M1 13" air and it is almost the same size as my 14" M3 mac, albeit with bigger screen.

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