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Toyota has probably shipped more battery capacity in hybrid cars than most EV manufacturers to date.

They don't need to catch up to anything.

They're still killing it with hybrids and the rest of the industry, having realized that "all electric" is a little too early, is scrambling.

The RAV4 is the top selling "SUV" in America(1) and it looks like close to 50% of those are the hybrid model.

1. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

In 2022 it was 48%: https://evstatistics.com/2022/07/48-of-1h-2022-toyota-rav4-s...

If Toyota shipped the same annual battery capacity as Tesla then they could sell 100% of their vehicles as hybrid or plug-in hybrid instead of 30%.

This might be true cumulatively but certainly isn't true on an annual basis anymore.

If Toyota were shipping the same battery capacity as Tesla they could make every car they sell globally a hybrid or plug-in hybrid and they are at about 30% of that.

You are assuming that 100% of Toyota customers want to buy EV vehicles.

How many EVs does Toyota sell each year? A few thousand or perhaps tens of thousands? It's at best a rounding error. Not something Toyota customers really have to worry about.

I wasn’t, but who wouldn’t want a hybrid?

5 million prius * 14 kWhr 5 million tesla * 50 kWhr

This is probably true, hybrids may win in the US market in the short term until they are outlawed?

They'll never be outlawed. There are too many use cases for 300+ mile trips in remote areas where recharging isn't possible or less remote areas where it isn't practical.

There are laws in effect already: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/governor-newsom-announces-...

If it’s anything like Canada it still allows for hybrid. Banning everything but BEV will never happen because Bev will never work for a small subset of users

they have similar law in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-electric-vehicles-20....

That’s literally the one I was talking about, it will still permit hybrid and there is no requirement for everything to be a BEV

> it will still permit hybrid

article says plugin hybrid, not just hybrid, which is kinda loophole.

a hybrid is still a hybrid that you can just keep filling up with gas and never plug-in.

yes, though in California cars required to be 0 emission by 2035

no? it seems to be the exact same rules as canada?

> new cars sold in 2035 and beyond are zero-emission vehicles which includes battery electric vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles and fuel cell electric vehicles.

I can't find any mentions of hybrids nor plugins in actual executive order: https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/9.23.20-EO...

it just says: zero emission, and hybrids are obviously not

that is the exact same language used for the canadian law. "zero emission" includes hybrid

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/cars-and-light-tr...

your page is not law.

And the law does actually not define “zero emissions” as a car that makes no emissions lol hybrids are permitted by how it defines them

> until they are outlawed?

In the US? When hell freezes over. In the Nederlands? Probably in 5-6 years.

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