Which word begins with "y" and looks like an axe in this picture? (2017)
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Turkish proverb: "Bir deli bir kuyuya taş atmış, kırk akıllı çıkaramamış."
1. "[he/she/they] are doing the lord's work" roughly translates to, "that task is so terrible/annoying, but someone has to do it, so props to them for doing it without complaining."
2. "bless their heart" roughly translates to, "they are really trying, but wow, so much fail"
I see it frequently cited as always meant sarcastically/disingenuosly. It certainly can mean "screw you", "go away", or "... so much fail".
However, if there's one thing people should understand about southern/NC etiquette, it's that passive aggression is the primary form of aggression. There are plenty of southerners who would never tell you to GFY straight to your face. That doesn't mean they aren't thinking that and trying to say that, though. Perhaps even with a "bless your heart".
Given all of that, "bless your[/their] heart" is absolutely to be taken at face value about as often as it shouldn't. That level of plausible deniability provides the highest level of potential passive-aggressiveness.
I can't speak for absolutely everybody, but at least if someone from eastern NC says "bless your heart", they could mean anything between "GFY" and "I'm so sorry that happened, please come to my house so that I can shower you with hospitality". You might never know which they meant, and that's intentional.
For example: There's a fluorescent light above my desk that flickers and has been driving me crazy for years. I can't get facilities to fix it because they need a ticket that's approved by management and has an approved budget, and all their other tasks are more urgent.... so it slowly drives me mad for a year. Finally, a facilities person says "You know what... I'm not supposed to do this without management approval... but I'll just fix this real quick and it'll be our secret" ..... Me: "Oh, thank you, you're doing God's work"
Their posts brought up two points:
1. Y might be for yellow than axe.
-- I agree but that remains a theory.
2. The designer likely used a clipart of axe by searching "axe" in Chinese ("斧头"). The exact image was found.
-- ..OK? Not sure how this means anything, let alone "solved".
To be fair, other comments in that 2017 threads confused me too, e.g.
> 1. The letter 'A' and an upside down Y-shaped character share the same key on a Chinese/English key board
I have no idea what's that "upside down Y-shaped character" is about, as a native-Chinese speaker.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayi_method
My first thought was bopomofo ㄚ (which corresponds pleasingly to pinyin "a") but that's just a normally-oriented Y! And it sits on the other side of the keyboard anyway
The sibling post's "bopomofo" seems far more plausible, but if you're talking European alphabets, the Greek letter Lambda (for the L sound, AIUI) looks pretty much like an upside-down (lower-case) 'y'. Maybe one working hypothesis at the time was that the person set to find pics for the Chines pirate manufacturer looked at it the wrong way around, read it as a Lambda / L, and looked for pictures to illustrate that. Idunno, WAG.
Combining that:
> 鉞 is yuè in pinyin, a romanization of Chinese.
and another comment shows that using Chinese to search for Axe on Google Images returns the original clip art:
> Me getting into the shoes of the designer: Assumptions: 1. The designer is in a hurry. 2. They would search in their language which I found via google translate is 斧头
However, 斧头 doesn't yield anything that starts with Y, and Google image search doesn't really seem to understand that that 鉞 (yuè) means axe. Duck Duck Go image search returns pictures of axes for 鉞, but doesn't show the original clip art in the top of its search results.
At any rate, it's unlikely the designer was using either of those search engines. Perhaps some Chinese search engine displays the "translation" of 鉞 to yué, and also provides the correct clipart.
The ball is probably Chinese-made. So I believe the answer that talks about Yué as the Chinese word for battle axe is the right one.
Wikipedia has an image of this rather odd-looking, but beautiful Shang dynasty Yue.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_axe#/media/File%3ACMO...
Naah, the Swedish hypothesis is far more convincing.
thedrake’s victorious final comment “ SOLVED!!!!!! I spent several hours looking for an axe or a hatchet or an Ubåt…” is dead.
Possibly because of a heuristic aimed at killing spam posts with too many links.
(It was killed because of the lmgtfy link btw)
[delayed] shows when a comment isn't being displayed yet because it's still less than N minutes old, where N is the 'delay' setting in the commenter's profile (about which, see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html).
Does that answer your question?
I found this super unconvincing at first. But they just kept goin. And going. And going. And the more I scrolled and the more I read, I started to think that they are right. And by the end I was fully convinced!
Well worth reading.
Thanks for sharing, OP!
That doesn't explain the weird u-boat thing, though.
* Most of the other letters on the ball work well in English but would not work well for Chinese words with pinyin
* Children do not learn the alphabet by studying pinyin since pinyin only has a subset of letters. The initials in pinyin are: b, p, m, f, d, t, n, l, g, k, h, j, q, x, zh, ch, sh, r, z, c, s, w, and y. As you can see, there is no 'v'. Children in Chinese-speaking countries would still use English to learn their ABCs.
V also doesn't occur in any pinyin finals, but Chinese people commonly use it in their own pinyin spelling anyway because it is used in pinyin input methods as a substitute for ü, which is harder to type.
Your list of initials left out the zero initial, which is important for words like 饿 or 安. As I've commented elsewhere, though "y" is a pinyin initial, "yue" does not feature it - "yue" is just the spelling of the final -üe when no initial is present.
This leads into a question I've had for a while - I know that some Chinese people do not distinguish between y- initials and r- initials. I'd like to know whether that lack of distinction somehow extends to every pinyin syllable that might be spelled with a "y", even if the "y" is normally not viewed as being part of an initial, as in "yu" / "yin" / "yue". Do you know the answer?
(I know that the lack of distinction occurs for 人 even though it does not rhyme with any syllable that might theoretically begin with y- in Mandarin. But that's not quite the same as what I'm asking about; 人 is definitely not a syllable with a zero initial. I would be interested in how the lack of distinction plays out for a syllable like "ri", where it's not obvious to me how the vowel would accommodate changing the initial to y-.)
I think the relevant wikipedia article might be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Chinese_phonology, which should reflect the shift from the earlier Cantonese-like pronunciation (yu style) to modern Mandarin-like (ru style), but it's a bit beyond me. Maybe this "The class of EMC palatals is lost, with palatal sibilants becoming retroflex sibilants and the palatal nasal becoming a new phoneme /ɻ/." is relevant?
More discussion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics/comments/orf800/questio... and at https://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/phorum/read.php?16,126118 which suggests "If a word is pronounced "y-" in Cantonese but "r-" in Mandarin, it's reconstructed as "gn", after Hokkien".
For example, here's a video of a popular karaoke streamer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTJIthWk_KA . She is singing in Mandarin.
But she seems to have some trouble distinguishing r- from y-. To my nonnative ear, when she sings renbuzhu the r- is fairly clear, but her rang uses more of an intermediate sound, and in one case the palatalization is so heavy that I just hear yang.
On the other hand, where the Mandarin calls for y-, I don't notice that she inserts an r- quality.
This is the phenomenon that I'd like to know more about.
More generally, I'm interested in how some pinyin spelling choices that do not seem intuitive from the outside were made. Consider yi / sun / diu / yan. Anyone who approaches these syllables assuming that the letters in their spelling should have the same values that they do in other pinyin syllables is going to get a shock. ("Shouldn't yan rhyme with tan?") But the spellings must have made sense to the committee that fixed them... right?
The pinyin spellings are confusing, and I’m not sure the history of why they were chosen exactly like that. It definitely makes it hard to learn the pronunciations.
Similar thing happened with "Polish dancing cow meme song" being used in some singing toys. The song is very vulgar and talks about hard drugs withdrawal, depression and suicide.
> This is quite the most extraordinary stack exchange answer that I've ever seen.
And I couldn't agree more. Well worth perusing if you (like me) usually only check the comments on HN.
BTW, I got curious about the highest scored answer and this meta answer explains how to find it: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/266570. The highest scored answer is this one: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11227809/why-is-processi... (of course this is related to teh size of the community)
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From back in the day when Stack Overflow was fun.
… ;)
All this took like 20 seconds, but the hounds had already descended. Someone had posted a note on an answer that was literally 20 seconds old saying that it could be improved.
When I responded with an offended comment they deleted all their comments, and I lost the ability to report them.
That was the first, and also the last time in the past 4 years I thought to post anything there.
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A bear falls into a well. The depth of the well is 19.617 meters, and it takes the bear 2.0000 second to reach the bottom of the well. What is the color of the bear?
https://qr.ae/pKqzpCGiven the viscosity of air vs. water, one might assume there's no water in the well. Also, given some surface area of a bear, and air pressure from a cushion of air formed under the falling bear, the fall speed does seem a little high, at least for a calculation with that number of decimal places, but perhaps the well was located in the crust of the earth where gravity's a tad higher.
Living bears are also buoyant, and will be slowed down considerably on meeting the water, so the bear is unlikely to have reached the bottom of a water-filled well for a long period, if at all.
To answer OP, I'd say the bear is brown, because of the mud from the base of the (somewhat empty) well. However to an outside observer, given the lack of light in the well the shade of brown might not be discernable. A human in the well with the bear will see the colour of the bear as a low relative concern compared to A) being in a well and B) being in a well with a bear.
People see this as some sort of failing of students but I think it says more about the teachers. You’ve overtrained students on problems that mean nothing to them, then you throw another nothing problem at them that’s simply three times as much nothing as the usual level of irrelevance.
Randall Monroe said it best: we should be teaching high school students how to split the bill for a birthday dinner. That’s more complicated math than most 20 year olds can correctly manage. It’s also what they’re going to do with math about 75% of the time.
I think if a bear fell into a well, there would be friction between the bear and the side of the well...
https://chat.openai.com/share/67998d60-0f81-410e-ba8b-ec5a0f...
I find it interesting that it disregards the rest of the question, and just picks "the most common answer to a trick question involving the color of a bear"!
Regenerate for more languages solutions
The only comparable answer I'd ever seen was something on Seasoned Advice, the culinary SE. I'll have to go dig that up.
This is why none of the condescending answers suggest a better way. There isn’t one.
(Some variants of regular expressions can implement arbitrary context-free grammars).
Man people on SE are cringe af ngl
(Apologies for the Medium link)
[0] https://medium.com/geekculture/the-chuck-norris-of-programmi...
"Nobody can add to the absurdity of this book, nobody can imitate it successfully, nobody can hope to produce its fellow; it is perfect."
> The humour largely arises from Carolino's indiscriminate use of literal translation
A tradition I really enjoy and deliberately keep alive. For some reason portuguese is incredibly amenable to this no matter the source language.
I also really enjoy assembling portuguese words out of japanese phonemes. The pronunciation of japanese and portuguese is remarkably similar and I often find that even the most innocuous japanese vocabulary sounds like portuguese slang or swear words. Sometimes they sound like complete portuguese sentences. The full names of actual japanese people can sometimes be literally transcribed into extremely unfortunate portuguese sentences. Just imagine the amount of bullying targeted at Brazil's immense japanese immigrant population. At least one japanese word -- shoppai -- sounds to me like an english verb but with portuguese conjugation and my brain can't decide whether the radical is shop as in buy or shop as in photoshop, and it's such an archaic imperative first person plural conjugation I can't help but mentally imagine a catholic priest commanding his flock to digitally edit images during a church sermon. And that's the least offensive example I remember off the top of my head.
There used to be a website that would repeatedly pass a body of text through machine translation back and forth until it stabilized on some hilariously distorted result. I wish I could remember the domain name.
There's a Chinese in-joke, though, where they like to say "day day up", translating 天天 "every day" as if it were just 天 "day" twice in sequence.
好好学习,天天向上
"Study well, [and] improve every day."
Making progress is conceived of as "upwards" movement.
Yet, while everyone might be only 6 handshakes away from everyone else (on average), we do not have sufficient human connectivity to locate this person, even with hundreds of people putting at least a little thought/effort into identifying the artist.
That proves that the original (Chinese) artist actually thought that the image is associable with Y, and they were paired before going on the ball, not someone (other than the original artist) picking the wrong image to go with a letter.
But the artist who drew the pic wouldn't necessarily -- I'd go so far as to guess probably doesn't -- know how it ended up on that ball; who copied it from where and what word (or letter) that person thought it illustrated.
And in classic fashion, of course the moderators locked it as "off topic".
People should indeed read the top answer. I assumed it ended after the first paragraph and only after your comment read the rest of it. Quite a rabbit hole and great investigation!
I would use "U-Boat" but only in the same way I'd use "Boomer", to indicate a specific type of vessel in a particular context, if I meant a submarine, such as in a simple drawing, I'd say "submarine" and so would other English speakers I know.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary_of_U.S._Nav...
A better approach: the ball, likely, can be traced to the company producing it. The toys for very young kids tend to be regulated, hence expensive. Contacting the company would be a direct approach, significantly improving the yield to provide a correct answer.
Yes, much much later (many edits later). Also I meant the original poster.
Fun fact: Ötzi the iceman had a staff and axe made of yew -- https://www.iceman.it/en/equipment/
OK, I'll ask: What is it about this rather poorly drawn axe makes it look like it's yew handled?
Played RuneScape as a kid => grinding woodcutting on yew trees => axe.
Some "bong", which is what you want: rather than the energy dissipating through your wrists and elbows into your back and skull, it gets absorbed by the handle, and "boinged" back into the axe-head. A good yew (or carbonfibre) handle is a back- and joint-saver. I owe a few really good axes (swedish make, irony?¹) and one very bad one (chinese). The bad one has some poor and way too stiff wood.
Not only does it break on mis-hits, much easier, it makes a difference on the amount of pain I feel after a day of chopping (I am a mere amateur, so muscle and back will hurt)
¹ https://www.gransforsbruk.com/en/butik/products/splitting-ax...
Also the handle is what has been drawn superimposed over the letter.
Still, confusion with A for axe isnt any better than S for sun or whatever. Maybe the reasoning was that axe was semantically far enough away from being one of the usual standard bearers of the color yellow, that children would associate the letter with the color rather than the object?
("Poo-Brown" as Colour starting with 'P' was the actual instigator)
As my long-suffering better half said about me recently (to her psych no less): sometimes he just says and does things to see what kind of reaction it gets from people; to work them out, to understand their limits and motivations, to find their boundaries.
...and maybe even more accurately: just to entertain himself.
Certainly. The limits, the boundaries, are where there be dragons; excitement; life!
pours cereal box out onto the floor
"Some have called me a cereal instigator."
Having said that, I enjoyed how the case was built on the faded outline, while this entire spot of the ball shows faded black print, as may be observed by the outlines of the infamous "Y".
(I'd rather opt for the "yxa" approach, probably the route taken by someone just browsing image search for quick ideas and failing to realize that this is not an English word. — Non-indo-european languages and scripts do exist.)
However that being said I think the analysis in the original article is probably as valid and likely more so than mine; I was having fun trying to bullshit-lawyer what was clearly the consequence of a hasty mistake into the work of over-thought intent.
A is for A Xylohphone
B is for the Band in which I will play the Xylophone
C is for the all the Concerts in which I will play the Xylophone
D is the for the Disappointment my parents showed for my selection of the Xylophone
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M is for the Mallets, used to play to Xylophone
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W is for the time Wasted, learning to play the Xylophone
X is for the way the Mallets are held whilst playing the Xylophone
Y is for Why did you choose to dedicate so much time to playing a Xylophone?
Z is for the Zoo to which the Xylophone was donated as entertainment for the chimpanzees
Just having the stream-of-consciousness writing above, I think it should also turn into the story of the eventually fatal decline of enthusiasm for the instrument.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/5592333/screenshots/15202838/...
R is for the Resolve with which I continue to play.
S is for the Sadness that results.
T is for when I got Thrown out of the house at 16 with nothing but my xylophone.
(This needs Edward Gorey)
However it'd be a really counter intuitive choice to use a green Y for "yellow"...
And the manufacturer couldn't find the original designers' details. And laid no claim to copyright (which seems strange).
Perhaps it was the case of a knockoff of a knockoff of a knockoff. A CAD file from the 1990s bumping around commodity manufactures via QQ and USB sticks, the design adapted the next order of 10,000 items by any one of a multitude of small commodities producers. Having sourced during that time to now, I'd fully believe it.
We figured out it might stand for Anorak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parka
> 鉞 is yuè in pinyin, a romanization of Chinese. This translates to ax.[0]
We'll probably never know if the origin is yxa or 鉞... or even something entirely different, sadly.
For example, the letter Y in the syllable "yue" is notionally silent -- making it an especially terrible choice of something to illustrate! -- and "yue" could appear in the same row of a pinyin table as "wu", since they both start with the same consonant (or, more accurately, neither of them starts with a consonant at all). But Y in "yang" is not silent; it represents the same sound you'd expect if you were familiar with English.
By the same token, "i" represents a very different vowel in "shi" than it does in "ni". And interestingly enough, although "ni" rhymes with "xi" and doesn't rhyme with "shi", the traditional analysis says that "xi" and "shi" use the same vowel (again, it's supposed to be a lack of a vowel, not a vowel that exists) while "ni" is doing something that is somehow different.
Modern analysis would disagree with the traditional claim about vowels, but can support the idea that "yue" and "wu" both begin with a zero onset.
Of course, 'y' is right next to 'h' on a qwerty keyboard, so it could just be a typo if they're going for hatchet.
I could also potentially see somebody, not entirely comfortable with reading/writing latin script, mixing them up as the glyphs aren't entirely dissimilar.
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HN really should surface these by default.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37359193
The Mystery of the Bloomfield Bridge (1028 points | 4 months ago | 270 comments)
Investigating thoroughly about something that doesn't fucking matter.
FFS. Wherever people can put their own words on someone else's website, you'll find this guy.
Sums up stack overflow moderation. At least in the future any time anyone has any tangential questions about children’s toys, axes, or the letter y, they can point to this and mark it as duplicate.
That set of toy cubes had everything: letter not matching a word, image not matching a word (like an orc from Lineage 2 for "щука"), made up words like "knifefork" and of course lots of typos.
> reached out to Hedstrom via their online contact form, Twitter, and Facebook. They replied…
Though it turns out to be a knock-off, finding the actual manufacturer might be difficult.
Ax = y
Solved it
"X" was a problem. They ended up saying "Fox in sox."
Spoiler: It's axe clipart
Of course, after reading through I'm convinced enough of the mainstream conclusion.
There is a smoking gun in one of the later comments: https://i.stack.imgur.com/bDRX5m.jpg
Ok, I conflated 'looks like' with 'sounds like'. Still curious about the solution though.
The effort given in the top answer is extraordinary, and is probably the real reason for the submission, so perhaps trying to answer the actual question is off topic…
Pictures of yurts here, first one with a chimney: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurt
https://www.google.com/search?q=yurt+smoke&sca_esv=599339112...
If it's supposed to be a yurt, one has to ask why someone went through obvious effort to make a yurt look as much like an axe as possible.
https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/17261315?adults=1&children=0&in...
The evidence against the Swedish explanation is that the ball says c for 'cat' and d for 'dog', but in swedish the translations are 'katt' and 'hund' respectively.
This may be a case where the most upvoted answer is likely wrong, but because it was so entertaining and took so much effort, it was upvoted much more than the boring (but probably correct) answer.
EDIT: I had only skimmed the most upvoted answer, it does indeed trace the ball's manufacture to China and suggest the 'y for axe' is a typo. Apologies for the confusion.
Hence why the ones that match the 'official' ball make sense in English but the ones that don't make more sense in Swedish.
When the ball was copied, they may have worked from images. You need more than one image because the ball is round.
Could the copycat have used an English version for one of the sides, and Swedish for the other? By looking at the images and letters around the Y, they actually make more sense in Swedish
The poster may have made a mistake by interpreting the "W" for "worm". If the Swedish theory is right, it is actually an "M" as worm is translated to "mask" in Swedish. They also seem unaware that a picature of the nail can also be translated as "nagel".
E - Elefant
N - Nagel
M - Mask / Metmask
K - Känguru
To me it looks like that side fits the Swedish words perfectly. The "Q" (queen) is copied from a different picture that comes from the English version
Edit: One of the comments on Stack exchange seems to suggest the same theory. The symbols seem to be a mix of at least two different sources.
Edit 2: Corrected the translation of worm
This obviously cannot be the case because, if you view the artwork of the worm, the letter accompanying it is a W.
If you instead orient the ball so that the letter might be an M, you find that the artwork for that letter is upside down.
> Our suspects! Hiding in China, right where our intelligence said they'd be. And all the other images match as well.
And the lead came from HN itself!
I'm wondering if they might have combined mixed two designs, as a lot of the letters works in both. Maybe they looked at two pictures and didn't realise one was for another language? It seems possible to me that they'd design the ball based on product pictures, and those are often not showing all angles of a product.
Don't think it's easy to say one answer or
hund, not hunn
It’s also a window in what SO could’ve been
Edit: although now that I finished reading the rest of the investigation, there are quite a few arguments for "yxa" as well. Still seems like an odd coincidence to see a yo-yo there myself, and then to read that it is supposed to be a yo-yo on the official ball.
Which word begins with “y” and looks like an axe in this picture? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24382164 - Sept 2020 (2 comments)
Which word begins with “y” and looks like an axe in this picture? (2017) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22685058 - March 2020 (4 comments)
“Which word begins with “y” and looks like an axe in this picture?” - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14670306 - June 2017 (158 comments)
The handle is the paint. The axe-head is the tube.
The number of people in the comments still speculating and believing in the aye theory is funny.
It's literally in the following answer on the StackExchange thread.
Or maybe I'm the one who feels the "swoosh" of the joke going over my head, and everyone pretends to see an axe for lulz.
Also. This clipart image comes up for a google image search of the Chinese characters for "Axe" https://i.stack.imgur.com/Lvi0V.jpg
The handle isn't the paint. The axe-head isn't the tube.
The number of people in the comments still speculating and believing in the "yellow paint" theory would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
It's literally in the following obviously incorrect and therefore not accepted answer on the StackExchange thread.
Or maybe you're just temporarily delirious and can't see that the picture is utterly obviously of an an axe. Or you're just pretending to, for "lulz".
So it’s probably yitten.