https://www.theonion.com/israel-assures-it-doing-everything-...
"Spineless fence-sitter thinks killing children is bad no matter who does it": https://www.thebeaverton.com/2023/10/spineless-fence-sitter-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luz1jnI6OIk (video in Italian).
So I believe that civilian casualties are intentional, and all the talk of safe areas (with no clear indication of what these areas are) is just a sham.
(Leaving aside the fact that former ambassadors don't speak for the Israeli government.)
The Israeli government has publicly stated [1] they do not intend long-term reoccupation of Gaza.
This is hardly my fault. You can hire a professional translator if you don't trust my word.
The interview is new.
And that's even taking the UNWRA/ Gaza Health numbers at face value, which somehow indicate zero combatants killed in airstrikes.
The numbers from Gaza are reported deaths, and nobody is seriously disputing them anymore. They are pretty consistent with the claims Israel is making. About two thirds of them should be civilians. That means a bit over 10k dead civilians after 2 months. True civilian casualties are likely higher, but the situation on the ground makes reliable estimates impossible.
Sure, there might be some women helping out, but we can say it is mostly men, and 99% of the women killed, and most of the kids under 17 are victims of IDF's indiscriminate bombing, paid by our taxes.
If you want to defend war crimes, keep on going, but I feel sick how some goons in the tech community are justifying the killing by saying a '11 year old' is probably a hamas terrorist.
But btw apparently cctv footage showed women and children participating in Oct 7 massacre https://freebeacon.com/national-security/children-as-young-a... (not checked site credibility but it's not the only place mentioned). Not saying that I (or Israel) would airstrike young teen's house because they joined in an atrocity but just addressing your claim that zero women/kids involved...
Regardless the footage shows many who are just as likely 17 or 18 which are counted amongst the "children" count in the reported death tolls when it's entirely likely that are are plenty of 17 and 18yo (and younger) fighters in Gaza right now.
It is estimated that 25,000-75,000 Ukrainian civilians have been killed just in Mariupol and surrounding areas.
If the current rate was sustained in the Ukraine/russia, we would have seen at least 400k death rates. The estimates are 10-20x less. (between 10 and 20k)
You lost the plot, when even a goon like Putin is starting to look more human and conducting a massive war with less civilian casualties.
Last times this happen in europe were: 1) WW2, 2) The massacres in the Yogoslavian wars, and especially in Sebrenica which was a clear ethnic cleansning/genocide and the war leaders ended up getting convicted for war crimes and crimes against the humanity.
Benjamin Netanyahu is on the way to become the next Milosevic, a war criminal.
What a blatant lie. The Siege of Mariupol alone is estimated to have killed somewhere between 25000 and 75000 civilians. The UN's fraudulent claim that "only 10,000 Ukrainian civilians have been killed" is a blatant lie to keep China and Russia happy.
Any discussion about collateral damage should take population density into consideration. The population density of Ukraine is 63 per square kilometer. The population density of Gaza is 5500 per square kilometer.
We did give lots of aid to Ukraine and we somehow were able to have discussions about whether we should continue to do so, in a relatively civilized manner. [0]
Somehow, when it comes to Israel and/or Palestine, all nuance gets lost, my "side" is "right", and the other "side" is an unholy abomination, morally disgusting or some other thing without room for earnest discussion.
I'll let the rest of this thread speak for itself.
It may be that they were provoked by equally abominable behavior by the other side. I'll leave that to each person's conscience. But it's quite undeniable that at least one side committed unspeakable atrocities, and there's no merit in saying "Oh, there's no point in demonizing them just because they disagree".
This isn't a difference of opinion. There is actual violence going on, like real horror-movie stuff. It may be that both sides are demonic, but there's no way to make the case that neither side is.