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Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine war

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Surveys were obtained July 1-31, 2023 with a representative sample of n=1,279 respondents. By implementation of a full probability design via Address-Based Sampling (ABS), U.S. households were randomly selected to participate and were first reached via mail. Adults ages 18 or older completed the survey via web (n=1160) or phone (n=119). The margin of sampling error for total respondents is +/- 3.7 at the 95% confidence level. The design effect is 1.81. For results among the n=1,047 registered voters, the margin of sampling error is +/- 4.1

Regardless of where you stand, the current administration has navigated the political waters masterfully. No US troops have been deployed, NATO has done all of the heavy lifting (as it should).

Outside of a patriot missile battery and some export-grade Abrams, the vast majority of our contributions has been leftover stockpile from the Middle East. Things that are obsolete and we would have had to pay to dispose of.

This is completely delusional. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are dead, even more wounded, and the country is destroyed. For what? To “weaken Russia”? Pretty cynical if you think that was worth it. Unless you actually believe the nonsense about Putin trying to recreate the Soviet Union or whatever stupid fantasy the blob is peddling these days.

I think you have replied to a wrong comment.

That's Putins own words.

Besides, we already have plenty of evidence of this not being delusional: as you say, lots of Ukrainians are dead, even more wounded and yet the Russians keep coming. Weakening Russia isn't for NATO's benefit, NATO already borders Russia. It's for Ukraine's benefit first and foremost.

Also, I'm quite surprised that you would engage HN in your propaganda efforts.

Ah yes, anything you and the corporate media disagree with is “propaganda”. Quite the hacker mindset! Pathetic.

Do you think this is a website for hackers?

No, it's just what you are saying, the corporate media have nothing to do with it and I'm fine with you carrying water for Putin but let's not pretend it's anything else.

Excuse me? Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh, as well as distinguished international relations scholar and professor John Mearsheimer have said the same thing. You are just parroting the warmonger corporate media-- let's not pretend it's anything else.

Hersh and Mearsheimer have been proven to be stupendously wrong on this whole Ukraine war, you're going to have to do a lot better than that. The 'warmonger corporate media'? Really, you should go to Eastern Poland or Ukraine for that matter and spout some of this nonsense, see how far it will get you. Let me give you a hint: they are not at all afraid of the media. But they are - and you'd have to agree with some significant evidence on their side - afraid that Russia has become utterly unhinged and will escalate this conflict even further.

Russia warned repeatedly for decades that it would not tolerate NATO on its borders. It was promised that NATO would not expand. All of this was very predictable, as Hersh and Mearsheimer have said. They were not proved wrong whatsoever outside of your colorful imagination. What is unhinged is the way that people like you will defend the blatant hostility and warmongering that led to all of this. And there are plenty of people in Ukraine who have pointed out the same, some now rotting in Zelensky's prisons. Most stay quiet or leave to avoid the same fate.

https://www.democracynow.org/2023/8/7/headlines/ukrainian_au...

If Putin said the US withdrawal from Afghanistan was incompetent and resulted in unnecessary loss of life and billions of equipment for the Taliban Would that statement be Russian propaganda or the truth?

Wait, NOW we're supposed to care about ajority?

Seems inconsistent with our love of minority rule things like Electoral College, Senate filibuster, the Senate itself, and disproportionate representation in the House.

When I see rhetoric about majorities, I've come to suspect it greatly.

Well, maybe it would help if the Gov actually demonstrated what the aid already delivered has done in tangible terms, and what a plan to help end this conflict would be?

We are just shoveling money and military aid to the Ukraine, but not enough to actually end the conflict - just enough to make it look like we really care...thus perpetuating one of these never-ending conflicts that people are sick and tired of.

Just my opinion...

The partisan gap is dramatic, seeing the Republican party morph into a populist / anti-globalist party in the age of Trump, with Democrats basically reacting to form a coalition of anti-Trumpers is leading to stuff like this.

Couldn’t agree more. You have every branch of the government right now doing everything they can to find dirt on Trump and Maga supporters while hiding every dirty deed done by the Biden family. Truly is sad.

Your comment is exactly the problem.. Trump has done some massively illegal things. That is being investigated and the Maga folks are trying to ignore that or suppress it. The Biden stuff is more or less not a major deal. And the one thing that has been harped on, the hunter Biden laptop he has already taken a plea deal with the doj.

Point is. The whataboutism is incredibly effective. And it is leading us to look at the rival who we built our entire military economy for as "meh, it's not that important". 1960s America would be foaming out the mouth for such a cheap price to obliterate Russia.

So many things incorrect in this comment and only illustrates how much of a liberal news bubble you seem to exist in.

I’ll just take the time to point out one area in which you are incorrect. The Hunter Biden plea deal was rejected by the judge because it was ridiculous and illustrated everything wrong with how the justice dept has approached the Biden family.

“Not a major deal”? Why do you think Mitt Romney blocked Telizhenko from testifying in Congress? https://overcast.fm/+s9-WNHf_g

The same reason Democrats blocked Tara Reade and RFK Jr. got censored?

How about people just having personal opinions?

Trump has many character defects, but he's undeniably a really funny guy. This reminds me of one of his funniest Tweets [1]:

> I hope we never find life on another planet because if we do there's no doubt that the United States will start sending them money!

[1]: https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/423780333687808001

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