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I honestly don't trust car dealers. Most of them are scammers trying to bait and switch, inflate prices, sell worthless warranties/upgrades, and generally screw everyone to the best of their abilities. People order cars and have to buy through them, so the dealer takes the car and sells it to someone else for more. Then, when you actually get the car, if it breaks down they will charge you for in-warranty repairs.

They were the worst with EVs and Hybrids. In the meantime, with work from home, a lot of people are realizing they don't need a car. Everyone else's car payment is going to doubled grocery prices and doubled rents. Also, good luck buying anything affordable, because the lots are filled with F-150s and SUVs.

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Good luck finding a sedan for less than $30k, manufacturers are only making expensive cars if they make any. They seem to think the market wants those FX50's or SUVs, but that's because they can charge a lot more for them. Well, they can charge that, but as we see, the vehicles just sit in lots at this point.

Another thing that gets me is the insurance. The videos of Teslas spying on drivers and reporting hard acceleration while raising people's rates. The $500/month insurance costs for every other insurance provider. All because the car has to be a way-too-fast status symbol. Meanwhile people just want to get to work/school/home without crashing into a tree or spending their kid's college savings account on insurance.

That is on Tesla’s own insurance program.

https://insideevs.com/news/698182/tesla-insurance-track-day-...

It’s the normal taddle tail addon plugs into your obd2 port other insurances have to reduce your rates if you drive 4am-10pm, less than 85, and don’t hard brake or rates go up.

>Good luck finding a sedan for less than $30k, manufacturers are only making expensive cars if they make any.

There's still affordable car makers in the west. Meet the Dacia Duster 2024 Hybrid SUV, starting at 20K, up to 30K fully loaded (Europe only). Probably gonna sell like hotcakes.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/dacia-duster

We're talking about America

A 2024 toyota corolla is ~$22k.

I've been in need of a truck for the past several years. And due to life circumstances, I would likely have just paid the new vehicle premium. But based on everything I've been hearing about prices, availability, and dealer games, I haven't even been looking. When the rampant price inflation has subsided and salespeople are back to choosing whether to splurge on the premium can of dogfood, then perhaps I'll think about it. Of course by the time this happens I'll have more bandwidth for maintenance, and with the unsafe touchscreens and antagonistic surveillance systems they're cramming into new vehicles, I'll probably just end up with an older model.

Chevy makes some fairly decent no-BS trucks I hear. Stuff with knobs and buttons instead of touch screens and driver cameras.

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