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IME the only consistency I noticed among boys clubs is bullies rule and out groups are mocked.
Remember when you could make jokes?
Plus the misattribution of watered-down safe products from corporations as being because they're "pc or driven by diversity" instead of driven by profits and avoiding controversy because it would hurt their bottom line.
It's like saying that babies are to blame for bad children's programming.
Maybe you really don't know, but John Cleese is considered extremely funny, and has been for decades: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/10/john-cleese-...
Bill Burr is also widely regarded as a good comedian, making funny jokes: https://actorsareidiots.com/bill-burr-people-taking-offense-...
Dave Chappelle made a similar complaint (that he will not be changing his material to bend to some people's demands) and is also widely regarded as funny: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1049113893/dave-chappelle-res...
How about someone who is not widely known, but still considered quite highly as a funny person? Here's what she literally said: "Jokes used to be accepted as jokes [...] Morality police now dictate what we can and can’t say. " - https://www.chortle.co.uk/correspondents/2023/02/10/52508/go...
Yup, the actual funny people are complaining that they can't make actual jokes anymore: https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/comedians-online-censorship-...
I feel you should think long and hard before making a statement as orthogonal to reality as "The least funny people complain about their inability to make jokes".
If we really want to talk about these actual comedians (who are all very funny in their own right), I would say that Bill Burr is a snowflake who had a bad set, Dave Chappelle should really learn to not make jokes at the expense of people who are currently facing severe systemic oppression, and John Cleese is an over-reacting octogenarian, far past his prime and aligning himself with an anti-vax fake news network; not the arbiter of truth you think he is.
They aren't coming across as particularly sympathetic to me, and the comedy scene will forget them if they're not able to adapt their material to a changing generation. Comedy is temporally bound and what is good comedy changes over time.
People find different things funny, so there should be a diversity of choice in comedy. I've been to sets that I personally didn't find funny, but the audience was locals with a different sense of humour than me and they loved it. It wasn't bad, just not my style, but it didn't operate at the expense of someone else. I've been to sets where the comedian on stage floundered and lashed out at the audience for being too sensitive, and the next comedian killed it without being 'sensitive' to the audience, just by being funny.
Here are some funny comedians that I've seen this year that managed to not be transphobic or align themselves with conspiracy theories about vaccinations:
- Arthur Simeon
- The Lucas Brothers
- Malik Elassal
- Alonzo Bodden
- Joyelle Nicole Johnson
- Fortune Feimster
- Steph Tolev
Plus a bunch of others that I can't remember off the top of my head. Check them out if you care to. I don't think any of them are complaining that they can't be funny anymore, they're doing just fine, and I think they're bringing fresh comedy to the scene.
In my opinion, if the old guard wants to show themselves out because they feel like they can't compete, they should feel free to.
Men trying to force their way into women's spaces on the basis of some imagined 'gender identity' aren't facing oppression, they are the ones doing the oppressing - lobbying for laws and policies to be changed to eradicate female-only spaces everywhere.
It's the same old invasive misogyny we see from men everywhere, except this time it's supposedly progressive.
I'm glad that comedians like Dave Chappelle are poking fun at the ridiculousness of this. Laughing at an oppressive ideology really does help to undermine it.
I refuted it, with actual evidence of funny people complaining that they can't make jokes anymore.
The fact that other funny people are not complaining is irrelevant, because that is not the claim you made.
because they can’t come up with material that isn’t at the expense of people facing systemic oppression
There are plenty of very funny comedians (with edgy acts, even!) that aren’t complaining about “cancel culture”. Check out Stavros Halkias maybe
Exactly, which is at odds with reality; see the list of complainers who are extremely funny people.
I explicitly didn't intend to scope my brief comment about "the least funny people" to encapsulate the entirety of humanity and I don't care to discuss this pedantic claim that "well technically N>0; QED".
Most of the comment you're saying doesn't matter was just me talking about comedians because I like comedy. If you don't like comedy, don't continue the conversation. If you disagree with something I said in a human capacity, not a "prove me wrong" capacity, then say so. I'm not as invested in this "claim" as you are to disproving it, clearly.
Maybe it’s the content of your jokes that are the problem?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_(harassment_campaign...
You shouldn't thank boys clubs if you enjoyed those games - there could have been more, better games.
I see double standards are still alive...
Surely you can see how this logic is absurd. You can’t limit your pool of workers to only “boys” and then claim you’re hiring the most capable people. You will miss out on all the capable people who aren’t “boys”.
What games have YOU shipped? Have you worked on a team at Rock Star or EA or any other game development company?
The fact that you think that’s the only way a non-boy’s-club can exist is rather telling :x
What's telling to me is male college attendance and graduation are both below female levels and yet everyone still act like men run and rule everything and have every advantage. That is patently untrue.
Uh have you looked at the Fortune 500? 459 of the companies are run by men.
Women make up only 28% of members of congress.
The world IS still run and ruled by men.
Show me where AVERAGE men have an edge deserving the treatment of a cheat code.
It makes no sense to harm someone because they look like someone else, who misuses their power and status to steamroll others.
Some will claim their actions are equality but can't match those words with proof or evidence. There's just a cultural distaste for white guys because we're all assumed to be living the high life, when we're not. It's simply not fucking true, and I don't care how much hate I get for it. It's founded on prejudice anyway, the same one those people claim to oppose.
If I have it so easy, why has a judge never once acknowledged my legal rights? Why have the police never helped me when I was the victim of crime?
Fuck a society that's comfortable with the angle of discriminating against common men because rich and powerful men have it easy.
If men were really as on top of everyone as claimed, we'd dominate in every major avenue of life. But we don't, so it pokes a hole in the narrative.
Socially speaking, we are abondoning men in droves. Boys are not getting the social and emotional upbringing needed to integrate in society, and many people just plain don't want men around.
Serial killers and school shootings are predominantly perpetrated by men. There may be a social component to that. I strongly suggest that not only is there an element, it's the primary reason it happens at all.
Men who feel excluded or taken advantage of will eventually strike back at those they consider responsible for harming them. This can be stopped by proper socialization.
That will never happen though because we're so quick to consider little 10 year old Bobby as a potential rapist. I'm sure that's a healthy environment for men, alongside their peers hating masculinity with no adequate replacement!
The world has a problem with men and it needs to get over it. We're an entire half of the species and we're not fucking going anywhere.
That said, not only discounting that either gender could be better at certain jobs but refusing to talk to someone because you suspect that may be their opinion is beyond absurd and that kind of politicized gut-based and evidence-fearing thinking may be another reason why organizations that don't pay attention to gender politics are more capable than those that do.
There are some physical jobs that have some gender bias due to their physicality. Software development is not one of them. This is like debating e.g. covid deniers or whatever nutjobs you will, not worth my time but not evidence fearing.
For a short while diverse leadership and management structure was an indicator that companies were promoting based on competence. But once someone realized that that was the case companies started stuffing the pool to pretend they were promoting competency without actually doing that.
I'd say books but authorship only requires one boy, generally.
Oh, and all those boys come from just a few regions of the world too (Southern Europe, Eastern Asia) for some odd reason, I wonder why?