Google no longer offers new domain registrations
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Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36346454) (548 points | 86 days ago | 606 comments)
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About the Squarespace purchase of Google Domains registrations (https://support.google.com/domains/answer/13689670?hl=en)
Google Deprecates Google Domains, Sells It to Squarespace - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37140806 - Aug 2023 (47 comments)
Ask HN: Who should I use for Domain Names since Google Domains has been sold? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36868082 - July 2023 (11 comments)
Google Domains to Shut Down - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36437962 - June 2023 (12 comments)
Google is selling all my personal information in Google Domains to Squarespace? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36423465 - June 2023 (124 comments)
Google Cloud Domains is to be fully deprecated as part of Google Domains sale - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36369701 - June 2023 (45 comments)
Ask HN: Where are you moving your Google domains to? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36364519 - June 2023 (16 comments)
Ask HN: Why would Google sell Google domains to Squarespace? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36352347 - June 2023 (72 comments)
Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36346454 - June 2023 (606 comments)
I've used Porkbun, Namecheap, and Gandi. Namecheap is my preferred. Porkbun is fine, Gandi I would prefer to not use again. I haven't tried Dynadot or Cloudflare's domains (but I love Cloudflare's DNS).
I was a founding member of a social enterprise startup which ended up in a position very similar to that.
In our case, we were lucky that we had two options to sell: (A) to an investor who wanted to pervert our mission, vision, and values for profit; or, (B) to a nonprofit who didn't have the money to give us more than a single paycheck or two worth of payoff for our equity.
If we had sold to Option A, a dozen of us would be wealthy right now. But the company we built would have been perverted into something unrecognizable.
In our case, to our founder's credit, we sold to Option B to keep the dream alive, but none of us became wealthy... and the nonprofit just shut down the company we founded only 2 years after the purchase (partly because the nonprofit didn't have the business savvy to make it sustainable). _Everyone_ was just laid off.
That means, our noble sacrifice only extended the lifetime of our noble vision by 2 years, and we're certainly feeling less good about it.
Because the alternative would have meant that a bunch of us bleeding hearts would have the economic freedom right now to do all sorts of good for untold decades to come.
So I'm just saying, sometimes you don't get to have good options and everything sucks, no matter how well-intentioned you are.
I am a gandi domain user.
I could up my account balance with a check and use their simple noscript http API to perform my domain operations (with curl).
Does it mean I will have to go raw IP email server? Aka, myname@[x.x.x.x] and myname@[IPv6:...], at least SPF is free here :)
Why I cannot find who did buy gandi??? what is happening???
> In February 2023, Gandi was acquired by Total Webhosting Solutions, forming a new brand, Your.Online. In June, the company announced drastic price increases, including a new monthly fee for mailboxes previously included for free.
One thing I really liked about Gandi was that they had a concept of Organizations, and users within those orgs, so we didn’t have to share a login within the org.
I’ve been moving my personal domains to Porkbun and Cloudflare, just to see which I like better. For domains at the company where I work I’d rather move them to Cloudflare, but they require that you use their DNS, and I haven’t yet felt like untangling how that will work with our AWS setup — we’re currently using Route53 and features there, including their certificate management and routing to specific ARNs.
Anyway, It’s a shame, because I was a big advocate for Gandi for a decade, and any time I could I always transferred domains there, for myself and the companies I worked for. In my digital life so far, Apple is the only one I’ve been able to stick with long-term. If they ever get broken up or if I get inexplicably banned, that one’s gonna hurt.
This has been my only issue with them so far. Realistically it's not likely to cause any problems for either my personal or professional situations since I prefer to use CF DNS. It's simply a missing feature.
If something happens that makes me reconsider their DNS product I'd likely transfer the domains, even if I could change nameservers.
It’s free, but there are times when it’s more convenient to point to someone else’s nameservers, and some people like to keep their DNS separate from their registrations as a “separation of powers” thing, but I’ve never seen the utility in that.
You cannot do this on Cloudflare without purchasing an Enterprise offering with SaaS features.
It's a very basic thing, allow CNAME to your subdomains... but nope.
So if you want to do this, you cannot use their DNS or Registrar.
I've never found a registrar that really felt like it was overall a good experience. It's definitely a "least bad" kind of market. The thing that bothers me the most about registrars is that they all have their own interfaces for stuff and it takes time to learn how to navigate to everything. So it makes it hard to try new ones.
Not directly domain related but they replied to me direct on something and great - humans there.
I have (or rather had) two Google Domains accounts, one for my own projects, and one with my work email address for work purposes. My work Google Domains account got banned for some imagined rules infraction. I sent an appeal with evidence, which was immediately denied. In case you are curious, the effect of being banned from Google Domains is: you are no longer able to use Google Domains at all, which means you are both unable to change your DNS settings, and unable to transfer your domains out. For all of the domains, I had to wait until they expired, wait for the grace period to expire, and re-register them on a new registrar, hoping nobody else got to them first.
After this experience, I decided it was not worth the risk to keep my personal domains on my personal Google account, so I transferred them out a few days later. I assume this was a bug, but as soon as I initiated the domain transfers, Google deleted all DNS records, which meant I had some non-trivial downtime on all of my websites while I got it all sorted out on a new registrar.
After both of these experiences, there is no way I would ever trust another domain to Google Domains.
Domain management appears to be a crucial component of a comprehensive cloud solution. It may serve as a loss leader, but it's undeniably an effective entry point for both Google Workspace and Google Cloud. After all, competitors like AWS and Cloudflare offer this service.
Typically you don’t want loss leaders for things that aren’t strategic or very profitable.
Google is not a cloud company. So this is probably just reallocating resources toward more important things.
I bet if domains was a loss leader to AdWords it would stick around.
So does that mean that GCP itself is on the chopping block? I seem to remember a similar discussion regarding its future was in the air about 2-3 years ago.
It’s still a distant 3rd place, but it used to be fourth and seems to have doubled from 5-10% in the last 5 years. [0]
[0] https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/06/even-as-cloud-infrastructu...
I think the reality is just that Google Domains was not (and never had been) a product of the Cloud organization and was not subject to their decision making process. But obviously that's not how anybody outside the company would have viewed it; they don't know the internal org charts nor care about them.
Google have sold Google Domains to Squarespace... but apparently, not for enough as they really really want to just make a few hundred bucks more from affiliate revenue.
Is Google really in that much trouble?
Maybe it's not for affiliate revenue, but just because some product manager at squarespace needed another metric to track?
Cloud platforms are a lot like banks. The value proposition of a bank is not that they store your money: my mattress can do that. No, the value proposition of a bank is that it’s a safe and trustworthy place.
There is some second-order thinking involved. If I believe that other businesses are questioning the future of a given cloud platform, then I might decide that I need to start migrating to another provider sooner rather than later. If everybody decides that they need to migrate then it could make the platform actually unprofitable. Like a bank run. Only there’s no FDIC protection for cloud platforms.
Google clearly just doesn’t give a shit what people think of their cloud platform. That’s scary. It means they don’t understand that they’re in the trust business. They truly believe that they’re just selling computing services.
How to shoot down your argument 101: Amazon (https://www.icann.org/en/accredited-registrars?iana-number=4..., https://aws.amazon.com/route53/amazon-registrar-policies/, note that the third-party links are the registries itself like Verisign), Cloudflare (https://www.icann.org/en/accredited-registrars?iana-number=1..., https://www.cloudflare.com/products/registrar/), and Microsoft (https://www.icann.org/en/accredited-registrars?iana-number=1..., https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/app-service/manage-c...) are operating their own registrars.
They just can't see why folks have such loyalty to search, gmail, docs, and Chrome: they are consistent. Folks aren't loyal to Google Cloud, chat, etc. precisely because of their inconsistency and likelihood of getting the rug pulled out at any moment.
I would argue that your comparison is incorrect.
The correct comparison to a bank is dedicated hosting or own-hardware colocation.
Cloud providers are selling you an abstraction over that base.
Therefore the correct thing to compare cloud providers to are NBFIs (Non-Bank Financial Institutions).
NBFIs know they are not a bank, they know they can't sell you the trust-model of a bank. Instead they try to incentivise you with attractive sounding interest rates in the hope that you will conveniently disregard the fact that you will not benefit from the government-backed deposit safety scheme that you would gain with a bank.
The OP was the one who said "there's no FDIC protection for cloud", so..... ;-)
> trust is the product
Well, to be fair, too many people put too much trust in the cloud.
"upload all your data to us, we promise we won't look at it" "trust our key-management service where we too have access to the private-key/API" etc. etc.
I wouldn't "trust" any of them further than I can throw a 1U server.
Originally, I was going to try Cloudflare, due to their at-cost pricing, but they didn’t allow transferring domains without first moving DNS (and maybe more? I couldn’t tell) to Cloudflare. I didn’t really understand the implications (would I have to use their CDN?), so I bailed out part way through. Edit: sounds like it’s just DNS: https://developers.cloudflare.com/registrar/faq/
I ended up going with Porkbun, based on recommendations here. Their interface is a blast from the past, but their documentation is pretty good. The only issue I encountered is that they don’t support wildcard email forwarding like Google Domains, so I had to inventory the email addresses I’d been using and setup manual forwards for each.
Overall, I wish Google Domains was still a thing. It was easy to use and cheap, and I thought it would stand the test of time.
Edit to add: Google Domains’s UI/instructions for transferring out were great. What a shame the service is going away!
If that’s not the case, then I’m definitely misunderstanding something about DNS!
I have yet to see a DNS zone manager as good as CloudFlare, so I've been using it anyway for the past 10 years for all of my domains.
I’ll admit I was already a little biased against Cloudflare because one time I got caught by their infinite captcha (maybe due to my OS not being up to date because it was an old computer? I’ll never know…).
Are two providers that I've used to catch-all and forward to an external mailbox.
After the Domains announcement, I can't in good conscience bring myself to spin up any new GCP services, and have started leaning more heavily on AWS. Part of me thinks that Domains is a signal that Google is planning a larger exit from the cloud business, given the GCP / Domains integration, and the absolutely atrocious comms from Google around Domains has not reassured me at all.
Domain registration is famously difficult to profit from unless the registrar is able to upsell
Also how domains should be managed evolves with time. For example GDPR has a huge impact on WHOIS, especially since the ICANN took so much time to acknowledge that in their specs, so there was a time where it was impossible for a registrar to be compliant with GDPR and ICANN rules. It’s still not 100% clear how it’ll be handled by RDAP (future successor of WHOIS)
And last but not least, some registries for ccTLDs are real pains in the ass to work with, and won’t hesitate to slap you with big fines if you make any mistake.
It makes innovation much harder due to the downstream effects, but at least I'm not carrying more and more risk forward thanks to Google/Alphabet's ADHD approach to product, brand, and support.
Alphabet is a hopelessly disorganized bureaucracy whose leadership appears, at best indifferent to customer needs, at worst hostile to customers that don't toe their line.
It's just a risk calculation you have to make when you're spending millions to build systems of record upon which your enterprise will depend for years to come.
I don't know if its fair or even accurate – but it's the feedback I get from client CTOs and CIOs at sizable companies.
FIFY.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Google_s...
If it doesn't shove an ad in someone's face, Google is structurally incapable of caring about it.
The problem with any current leader is that they do want to do this. Or, rather, they don't care if they do. Who cares what Google will look like in the long run? They'll be gone. Right now, they presided over the appearance of continued growth, and that's what matters.
(I have no internal knowledge about Google, of course, but I am at a university, whose plan is (1) attract more students, (2) more students, (3) more, (4) start thinking about what to do with all these students.)
If you look at all of the Big Tech companies - Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft and Google, (yes I left off Netflix, it’s a nothingburger compared to those five), Google is the only one that seems to be rudderless without a long term plan or vision.
Sundar has been at Google since 2004 and Larry Page hand-picked him.
If that's actually how Google works, it does sound structural.
There stock price would say otherwise: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/GOOG/?guccounter=1
Until people stop using their service(s) then, no, their brand is not dying.
In my opinion, their stock price is the least interesting. They are coming around on the other side of an upswing and seem poised to be headed back down towards their pre-COVID normalization of around 90 dollars. Compared to Amazon, it's disappointing, and Microsoft is in another galaxy in comarison. With no real option for growth, considering they simply cannot be trusted to launch a new product, it seems like the early feedback is this will also hurt their cloud business as customers simply cannot trust them to maintain new offerings.
They'll do what they always have done: survive off ads and YouTube. But I am not sure how many more percentage points they can squeeze out of those two. People are already starting to catch whiff that their search engine results are not what they used to be. What will happen then?
If history is doomed to repeat itself, they'll do what their predecessors have done: get some Harvard-style MBA types in the building to "optimize", jettison all the excess baggage, and keep the cash flowing into their investors pockets, while they slowly lose whats left of their reputation and ability to innovate.
I suppose they have enough patents to troll on for the next 25+ years or so. Just like some other 3 letter company we may know about that once was a tech giant.
I’m not saying Google is going to fail. But GCP seems like a dead man limping
Sure is... https://www.statista.com/statistics/478176/google-public-clo...
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/q1-2023-cloud-res...
And even that is only because of GSuite
> And even that is only because of GSuite
Where do you see that?
They’ve always included GSuite
https://www.zdnet.com/article/alphabet-beats-q4-estimates-go...
> For Q4 2020, Google Cloud -- which includes Google Cloud Platform (GCP) and Google Workspace (formerly G Suite
I wasn't saying that. You have no idea what % of overall revenue is GSuite vs core GCP. Until you do, your "mostly gsuite" is purely speculation.
> Adoption has never paid a bill, anyone can sell a bunch of dollars for 95 cents and you can’t just hand wave away depreciation, servers have to be replaced, they aren’t just keeping the same servers online forever.
I wasn't hand waving away depreciation. I was saying the depreciation (which is when capital hits the IS) is very likely going to outpace revenue for years given the growth rate of cloud adoption. We're talking at least another 10 years before they stop allocating capital towards data centers. To illustrate this further:
year 0 - $1B for data center buildings + server racks
year 5 - $200M for refresh of server racks
So, profit will come much much later. Amazon has proven this many times over.
Sure you can have an MBA look at the situation and ask “Do we really need a registrar? The other cloud providers don’t have one and look at their margins”. So what this really signals to me is that Google has lost all capacity to be forward thinking, trendy and innovative. And without that (and thus a general relevance as a tech company), what is Google?
But this decision rubs me the wrong way because there's a deep integration with several of the services that allow connecting an external domain. The verification of domain ownership with Google purchased domains was effectively seamless and aligned with this overall architecture principle of Stuff That Just Makes Sense.
I still think that GCP is a great platform to build on, but the problem now is that they've further tarnished their image to other stakeholders who have a say in the platform decision making process.
What are my alternatives besides Office365?
Have been a customer for years, great service run by humans.
Zoho is an alternative, can do custom domains, website hosting, email, productivity suite.
Everyone in my immediate family has 1 or more email addresses in our family domain, and I have a couple of fun/project domains their too, for $0.00 above what I was already paying for iCloud.
If you have any issues, a real person will answer your support ticket.
Nextcloud also advertises an office suite, though I haven't tried it. Nextcloud also apparently integrates with OnlyOffice, though I haven't tried that either— Apparently Nextcloud's own office suite is a rebranding of LibreOffice.
I'd probably go with OnlyOffice, either on its own or integrated into Nextcloud.
You can have up to 3 domains configured per family.
And I really really don't like iCloud's file system.
Protonmail ? If its email you're after you can point your MX at them.
I think if it ran entirely on Google's infra and the service itself could be killed like the registrar was it would have been killed years ago (notably it stagnated from like 2012-2018 or so and there was a period of time they had a half-assed panel redesign and the product blog for it wasn't updated for years)
Unrelated, but I've found it bizarre Google Voice doesn't do RCS but they made a big push otherwise to enable it for their Messages app.
If google cancelled either of those I'd be very surprised and equally disappointed.
- domains are relatively expensive ($13 vs $9.15 on CloudFlare for a .com, others even more expensive)
- you have to pay DNS on top of that
- you have to deal with AWS
I’m starting to see this as a feature. AWS makes you pay per-request for a lot of things, but in my mind it makes those services sustainable.
Maybe I’ve just been bitten by the promise of “free” or really cheap services either imploding or suddenly changing their billing model over the years.
Google will eventually kill all products that do not help them sell ads. Keep that in mind.
Depending on the extent of trust you want, the ultimate (whilst being "reasonably" affordable) option is becoming a Nominet member.
Nominet are the registry for .uk. Anybody (person or business) can become a member and the core benefit of membership is you effectively become your own registrar. As long as you pay the membership fee, Nominet don't care.
You therefore cut out the middlemen.
Sure, Nominet could theoretically cut off your domain (e.g. if you don't pay your membership fees). But the bar is much, much higher than $Mega_Corp.
Unless you've got money to burn, probably a bit extravagant for only one domain name. But if you'll be needing a few it might be worth considering.
> Since Google Domains is the underlying domains registrar for Cloud Domains, there are some important changes that we want to share with you.
> What do you need to know? Upon closing of the Squarespace-Google Domains transaction, Squarespace Domains will become the registrar for your domains managed by Cloud Domains.
“Yes, you can continue to search and register for new domains using Cloud Domains. After migration, Google Cloud becomes a reseller of Squarespace Domains. When you buy new domains using Cloud Domains after migration, the registrar of record is Squarespace.”
The least bad outcome.
But I find it hard to figure out what stage Google is at in this (maybe simplictic) progression.
What’s the reason to earn commission from Squarespace?
Small company, great service, fastest DNS replication I've ever experienced, and a solid clean API
I pick Google Fi.
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust (yeah)
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust