Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio
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To bring this back into the home recording of radio, it'd be as if Congress decided to ban the sale of tape decks that could record radio transmissions[0]. That ban would work regardless of fair use.
This is why Section 1201(a)(2) needs to be struct from the law, BTW - your access to copying tools should not evaporate because of a lack of ability to enforce copyright on you.
[0] How this ban is actually implemented is immaterial, but perhaps radios can't have detachable speakers or audio out ports to hook a tape deck into, or tape decks have to only have an integral speaker and no audio in ports. This wouldn't stop home recording of radio but it'd be significantly worse.
"(3) As used in this subsection— (A) to “circumvent a technological measure” means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and (B) a technological measure “effectively controls access to a work” if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work"
The argument would seemingly be that youtube is in no way "effectively controlling access to a work." And none of the peculiar details of it's implementation are designed to operate in this capacity. Quite the opposite, it's technology is designed to broadcast, for the purposes of inserting ads, content to anyone who merely requests it.
Moreover, youtube is in no way connecting the "authority of the copyright owner" with the particular videos on it's site and has nothing but an ad-hoc system with limited availability that takes action only after content is uploaded. As there are many videos that are past copyright protection or have been explicitly released into the public domain, and they make no distinction in the "technical measures" used in those videos, that they aren't effectively controlling access, and the tools aren't circumventing them for this purpose.
Probably unworkable for the time being.
The reason why EME didn't lead to a catastrophic downfall of freedom on the Web is purely a function of DRM being expensive to license. Netflix can afford it but not YouTube, and YouTube creators generally don't want it[0].
Related note: if YouTube starts putting DRM on videos then every creator that's ever used Kevin Macleod music is now violating the Creative Commons anti-DRM clause. YouTube actually added a feature to mark your video as CC-BY or CC-BY-SA, so they'd be at least marginally aware of this clause, so they'd have to at least make DRM opt-in.
[0] To be clear, this is moreso that what YouTubers are actually worried about is reuploading content back to YouTube and monetizing it. They don't care so much if you have a stream-ripped copy on your computer that you just watch on your own. But things like Content ID actually work way better for preventing reuploading.
Freedom for the people instead of companies! That's why I prefer the EU over the US.
The reason they don't work with each other is there's a line in the terms of service that says you can't use anything but their official software to interact with their servers. WhatsApp will literally ban your number forevef if it detects this. That's the root cause of the shittiness of apps. They very much want you locked in and forced to use their shitty proprietary software. If society makes such terms illegal and unenforceable, free software clients will start showing up and other companies will start integrating with their competitors whether they like it or not. This will also fix all other apps of any kind, including social media apps. It will kill things like remote attestation and web environment integrity. It will just fix everything.
I'd love to get back to the halcyon days of the late 90's where I could use whatever client I wanted to talk to people.
More like Telegram (non E2EE modes)<---->Discord<---->Guilded and Signal<---->Telegram (E2EE modes)<---->WhatsApp.
Take a few minutes to think about how it would have to be implemented on a technical level.
Integrating either Signal or WhatsApp clients with Telegram would to tantamount to a backdoor, or would require a redesign of Telegram so drastic that would upset its users. A perfect analogy is integrating WhatsApp and Twitter because Telegram is actually more similar to Twitter than it is to WhatsApp.
But even integrating Signal and WhatsApp which now share a similar encryption scheme and user ID isn't a good idea: Most Signal users don't want any interaction either directly or indirectly with WhatsApp. The two programs have completely different group implementations: WhatsApp keeps all the metadata server side, whereas Signal handles all of that client side with the server acting as a dumb router of opaque messages that wrap the group state updates. How would those two systems be reconciled? Would Signal have to accept WhatsApp users joining its group and then just leak all of the group metadata to WhatsApp servers for compatibility? Would WhatsApp have to re-write its entire service to be compatible with Signal's group semantics and see to it that all billion users are fully upgraded or kick them off the service?
These issues go on and on and on, and they increase exponentially the more messaging systems you try to add. The whole idea is just ridiculous.
This was why XMPP failed. The UX was terrible because different clients didn't support the same features broadly and it was a big mess. And everyone just went with centralized services where everything works as expected.
If Apple can make their software (i.e. Final Cut or Logic) exclusive to Apple devices, so can Google.
That's a non-negligible market segment. And an affluent one.
But the biggest danger is that videos and channels can get removed by any, all, or no reason.
-Copyright middlemen/parasites
-Trolls
-Shifts in what’s politically or advertiser acceptable (see: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/14ddlng/unalived/)
-Massive data loss (see myspace)
-And especially the capricious whims of the channel owner.
A few years ago I realized an old playlist of mine was basically swiss cheese due to how many videos had been removed.
If you value it, save it now, because it will be gone sooner than you are prepared for.
There are many ways to handle automated saving of channels, including some gui frontends, but offhand the one I use and modify is: https://github.com/TheFrenchGhosty/TheFrenchGhostys-Ultimate...
Are they really though? It's my impression that even mass produced pressed CDs have a reputation for rotting on the order of 20-30 years. Vinyl lasts a century or more if you don't physically abuse it. CDs are certainly easier to rip though, so probably still worth it.
If you play a vinyl record enough to wear it out, at least you listened to it a lot before it wore out. With CDs, you might never listen to the music even once and come back years later to find it has destroyed itself.
One thing to note, is that the artist/label retain full control of what music is present, and as such can be removed at any time, even ones you paid for. See: https://get.bandcamp.help/hc/en-us/articles/4406122372119-Wh...
I use https://github.com/easlice/bandcamp-downloader to immediately archive flac files to my NAS after a purchase, then convert to those to a lossy for space saving format for mobile playback/family sharing as desired with a playlist. This way I have my archive, and the artists I like get their support.
artist decided to revise their own back catalog narrative so to speak, and I get it but holy crap the horses already left the stable.
So it is not for sale. I might find it on soulseek (thanks for the suggestion someone else ITT). the album meant a lot to me, as these things can when they're literally top playcounts for the year - clearly it does.
and it was, you know... super-indie, mom's basement kind of soundcloud & distrokid released production.
wonderful and now gone. Had I bought this on iTunes it would have gone into my offline library. it was for sale, and is no more.
my takeaway has been to get very defensive about any hyper-indie releases that I want to hang onto.
They might still have it around and be happy to provide it. :)
Of course it is. That's the whole point of the three strike system.
I also feel like it's a bit disingenuous to refer to baseball as a "child's game", when most people know it for the professional variety played by high end athletes.
As a outsider, three-strike laws have always seemed to be a uniquely American form of injustice, leading to overpunishnent. It's disappointing (and a little chilling, considering the global policies of the tech giants originate in the US) to think some people might consider them fair or just.
to be sure, google receives ad revenue. they redistribute a portion of it, yes, to the copyright holders
It feels similar to patent trolls whose business strategy is simply to leverage the court by exploiting poorly executed legislation.
Patent trolls don't make the laws, they just exploit them. Copyright monopolists literally make the laws and then complain that the whole world isn't following them. They spend ridiculous amounts of money on lobbyists and essentially buy whatever laws they want. Leverage courts? Copyright monopolists will literally leverage the might of the US government and military to enforce US laws overseas. Look up US Trade Representative reports on "notorious markets" which is all about getting foreign countries to enforce US copyright law as if they had nothing better to do than police imaginary american property. It's packed full of language like "stakeholders" which is code for these monopolists. It's like they're the bosses of the US government.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66697744/yout-llc-v-rec...
I remember that in Finland, it was debated in courts whether breaking DVD CSS encryption using readily downloadable software was infringement upon an effective copy protection scheme or not. An appeals court decided it was (i.e. CSS was deemed "effective"), but the requirement that the copy protection scheme be "effective" in order for circumvention to be considered illegal is still there in copyright law. (The legislation is based on whatever the EU-wide regulation is and includes provisions somewhat similar to the DMCA such as the prohibition of circumvention.)
I doubt that "copy protection" that can be circumvented by reading the YouTube web page source code would be deemed effective under that law. Does the DMCA not have a similar limitation? Or is the RIAA just trying to play the lobbying and rhetoric game despite having weak legal grounds? (Wouldn't be surprising.)
- Is strong enough to keep you from copying the thing
- Has the effect of keeping you from copying the thing
Congress intended the latter meaning and US courts adopted that. The first meaning would be self-defeating: once someone figured out how to break a copy protection system, it would no longer be effective, so you'd only be able to prosecute the first person to break the system.
If effective meant "is strong enough" I don't think DVD CSS would count because they specifically used export-grade encryption. The rule (part of ITAR, AFAIK) was that 40-bits was the max entropy you could have, specifically so the NSA could break foreign-operated encryption systems. But this is kind of silly - computers are getting faster all the time, so it seems odd that a measure considered copy protection yesterday would stop being copy protection today just because we can crack passwords faster.
[0] Transposition is the concept of copying EU regulations into member state law. I'm using the term slightly broader than EU law. While WTO rules don't have a direct transposition requirement, USTR conditioned lots of trade deals on transposing DMCA 1201 into local law.
The DMCA has no such provision; if a work is DRM-encumbered, it always enjoys the anti-circumvention protections of the DMCA. It’s one of the main reasons why I think works available only with DRM shouldn’t be eligible for copyright protection: the presence of DRM prohibits the creation of an archive-appropriate copy (in a legal sense, not in the quality sense) that can survive the copyright term of the work. If the owner of a work wants to only release it with DRM, they have to rely on other laws with higher burdens of evidence to provide legal protection.
No. "Effective" is defined in section 1201 as meaning that the technological measure prevents copying "during the normal course of its operation" -- i.e., the "happy path" of the code prevents unauthorized copying. No matter how trivially the code may be broken, breaking it is a felony. A simple bit of JavaScript embedded in a page that prevents right clicks (to download images) would be an "effective technological measure" under the DMCA. If you put up a web page showing how to get around this with Chrome developer tools, you are "trafficking in circumvention tools" and can be found civilly/criminally liable under the DMCA.
Note that there are Library of Congress exceptions for circumventing, but not for trafficking. So you can figure out how to, say, rip DVDs yourself if doing so falls under a LoC exemption. But if you then turn around and publish how to do it, you are still in violation of the DMCA.
>technological measure "effectively controls access to a work" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.
Which sounds like basically anything they call DRM is DRM.
No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—
(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;
(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or
(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person’s knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.
I'm not a lawyer but how does youtube-dl fit any one of these criteria? despite the name, it's not "primarily designed to circumvent copyright", nor is copyright circumvention its only use (though "commercial significance" seems to be doing a lot of work here).My objection to the RIAA's copy protection argument is that they did not actually create the copy protection measure. They are alleging that some third party's product feature happens to look close enough to copy protection that it should count as such. Would they be able to sue YouTube if they were to stop rotating their URLs? Do social media platforms suddenly have an obligation to continue to maintain features that accidentally frustrate illegal copying of text? Do I have to reimplement spacebar heating?[1]
Another potential objection would be that rotating URLs are not copy protection. This may work, but keep in mind: 17 USC 1201 has no bounds on the scope of copy protection beyond "it has to somehow stop you from copying a thing protected by copyright". Encryption and scrambling systems are explicitly named, but the way the law is currently drafted, anything can be a copy protection measure. There's a lot of language defining existing copy protection systems they wanted to grandfather in (e.g. Macrovision) but nothing limiting the scope of future systems.
[0] If accepted, this would be the widest reading of DMCA 1201 that I've seen accepted by a court of law (as a non-lawyer). Yes I am counting the printer cartridge and garage door opener shenanigans of yesterdecade. Those were bog-standard "designing the product to commit three felonies a day" kinds of copyright abuse and the courts smacked them both down.
How is it circumventing copy protection? IIRC videos on Youtube aren't DRMed. What protection method do they claim is being circumvented exactly?
The court thinks that base64 is a legitimate way to establish copyright protection online.
Yeah, not kidding you. The lawyers are this stupid.
Honestly I think the law is broken, because it is designed by people not capable of doing technological decisions, for technologically relevant cases. It is gonna take years to unfuck this.
* duh, they don't even know differences of encoding vs encryption...
> Yeah, not kidding you. The lawyers are this stupid.
The system is this stupid. The lawyers are fairly clever to pull off this sort of stuff regularly. You have to be intelligent to be actively evil.
This didn't happen AFAIK; the action against Youtube-dl is being taken by the RIAA, not Youtube/Google.
The law has other things listed beside encryption. Did they really call this "encryption" as you're claiming (citation?) or did it fall under another bucket?
They were making the case "if youtube decided to replace the rolling cipher with widevine completely, it would seriously harden the DRM protection".
"Die Einordnung der "Rolling Cipher" als wirksame technische Schutzmaßnahme ist auch unter Berücksichtigung der Regelung des § 53 Abs. 1 UrhG zur Zulässigkeit von Vervielfältigungen zum privaten Gebrauch verhältnismäßig."
This translates to that they think base64 is a reasonable technical measurement to protect content.
By this logic they've established that URLs themselves are a valid copyright protection mechanism (encodeURIComponent uses base64url behind the scenes), which has another scale of consequences. That is why I'd argue that the court has no idea whatsoever what base64 is, what it does, or that it is even an openly defined specification as a text interchange format.
I think what confused the court is the parameter shuffling for the signature parameter in combination with base64. Even though this is not encryption they made it look like effective encryption in front of the court.
This was deemed a 'rolling cipher'. It obviously isn't. Or at best, its a rolling cipher with the key being completely public at all times.
Obviously not encryption, but arguably an 'anti-copying measure'.
That said, if they're effectively giving you both the lock and the key, is it really circumvention of access control to unlock it with anything other than a user-agent they "support" (i.e. approve of)? As I mentioned in my other comment here (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37114697), a lot of people "download" from YouTube not to infringe copyright but to simply use alternative software to view the content.
DRM in a nutshell. I think we have to assume the anti-circumvention laws are intended to apply in precisely this kind of circumstance, since that describes virtually all DRM. When these laws were written, it was even common for DRM to be implemented as XORing with some single byte "key", which was trivial to either extract from the program or just brute force.
They are: https://developers.google.com/widevine/drm/overview
Perhaps it is becoming clearer that the law is an ass, written to serve special interests, and nothing to do with some sort of expression of morality or right and wrong. And that is all it has ever been.
For myself, I cannot conceive of the hybris required in writing down a set of words that I would then expect others to follow. Imagine doing this at a family gathering! (I'm not talking about writing a guide or means to help others learn/improve themselves by their own choice.)
The very idea of law is a false one, imo. Who has the moral high ground, who can relay that in writing to others? Is it not actually a subterfuge to allow others to do harm and yet call it good?
Basically, one needs to find one's heart, and follow that. The law is a merely another control structure.
Because most video is encrypted, this effectively reverses Betamax and bans home video recording with DVRs without authorization from the copyright holder.
It's particularly disappointing that the copyright office has flatly refused to authorize 1201 exemptions for non-infringing format-shifting or space-shifting.
One's "heart" is at least as exploitable as a democratic law system.
In the case where someone kills another (murder is a legal term) and the cases of many other 'crimes' eg stealing, abusing children, etc, these are immoral acts. One's heart knows this. In general, what people refer to as 'common law' is more or less in line with morality - I don't object to that so much.
Now, if you wanted to impose a legal system (an external authority of morality) that doesn't cover these cases, you will fail - people will not accept it's authority and will see it for what it is. The legal system has to encompass these overt, actually immoral cases as bait, in order for the individual to swallow the hook. But, the legal system is not determining right or wrong, it is merely echoing what you already know.
Things like intellectual property rights, speed limits, licensing, tax, etc, are the hook. They are nothing to do with right or wrong. They are merely cash machines for the entities that write the legislation. They could be right, had entered into a contract, where government provided such-and-such a service with explicit agreement. But no one ever did..
Obviously at that point you get politics, people vying for power, trying to change the rules to their benefit, etc. But that is not the base nature of laws, it is a highly predictable effect of the lawmaking process.
Laws are (nominally) written for the greater good. Copyright protection, for example, exists so artists get compensated for their work, get to claim credit, and, can control distribution. Now this example has obviously also suffered from politics, to the extreme. But the basic premise still makes sense to me.
Do animals or birds have 'laws'? Ok - not that state of nature...
Do you have laws at a family gathering? No.
I think you are mistaking natural law (innate morality) for a bunch of words some corporate lobbyist has written down. And that confusion is the point. If a controlling group can convince individuals to swap out their sense of morality (where each individual decides what's right and wrong for themselves) for a law book that can be controlled externally (a book that monied interests can write or re-write as they like) - then those individuals are harnessed to do what the controlling group say and call it right. That is domestication.
> Laws are (nominally) written for the greater good. Copyright protection, for example, exists so artists get compensated for their work, get to claim credit, and, can control distribution.
Right - that is the sales pitch. But in fact artists get a tiny fraction of the revenue. And the whole idea of the music industry as we have it, is itself an expression of corporate interests.
What I think you are missing is that music and whatever else, would go on without corporations and government and its laws, if people wanted it. However, if you want to harness that interest for parasitic monetary benefit, you need to make laws, enforce them, educate people into believing they are right, etc.
So, yes you can say that this is for the "greater good" but what is actually meant by "greater" are those corporations! Corporations are bigger (ie greater) than the individuals, right?
Not at all. Innate morality is very different from law. Law, as I explained it, is about coordination problems. Such as solving the tragedy of the commons. In 'the state of nature' (scare quotes because I believe never existed, but I am referencing the philosophical concept). i.e. when society has not yet formed laws or large organization. There are many problems that need a solution that is universally followed. This can be actual tragedy of the commons (i.e. overgrazing the field, chopping down productive forrest, not shitting in wells) or it can be simple coordination problems (i.e. everyone drives on the right side if the track, people climbing have right of way over people descending). These lead to rules that a society agrees on.
People who break those rules get ostracized, those people then complain and argue, which formalizes these rules. At some point, the result of breaking these widely established rules moves beyond ostracizing. Rule breakers have harmed the community, so the community gets to harm back through seizure, imprisonment, pain, or other methods.
At that point you have laws. And they are a good thing. People formed them because it made things better. From here on, laws need changing, probably because of circumstances. They also need expansion, because new problems can also be solved this way. At that point you get a legislative process, with the authority to set and change laws. Hence you get power, politics, other things that are also bad. But that doesn't mean laws are inherently bad. They come from a good place, but they have significant downsides.
Besides all this, laws are required to be a state, and being a state is required to have the military strength to avoid being plundered or subjugated by other groups.
Hollywood wanted a bill that would make it illegal to make certain copying tools. This was hot off the heels of the music industry getting a technology mandate for copy protection on digital audio tape (which would eventually be mooted by MP3 players, see RIAA v. Diamond). The problem is, technology mandates are difficult to draft and have significant problems (sometimes it's legal to copy things). So instead of banning copying tools altogether, they made them opt-out. If the copyright holder protects a work from copying, you can't sell the tool that makes it copyable.
This created a drafting problem: what constitutes protection? At the time 1201 was drafted the biggest copy protection in force was Macrovision, a system intended to make VCRs copying tapes record an unusable signal. So they just copypasted Macrovision into the DMCA. But there's all sorts of other ways you could copy protect things. Software was the most creative with all sorts of dastardly ways to make nonstandard media, ways to check for that media, ways to check that your checks hadn't been changed, ways to encrypt the binary so you can't disassemble it, ways to check for debuggers so you can't copy the disassembled version of any of the above checks, etc. All of that is way too uncertain to draft into the bill.
Congress's answer was to say that anything can by copy protection as long as it keeps you from copying things. This is extremely, offensively overbroad. And it also triggered a slew of new attempts to turn 1201 into a generalized "contempt of business model" tort. We had lawsuits over printer ink and garage door openers, because it's trivial to just smuggle more software into the design of whatever product you want to 'protect.' Thus nobody wants to touch any sort of adversarial compatibility, because that carries insane liability now, and since everything needs software now we've effectively ended capitalism and regressed to feudalism.
It is a mistake to think of law as a substitute for morality. Obviously criminal does not equal immoral. However, we can think of laws as a solution to coordinated action problems and economic "game balance". If an entity is too powerful and abusing their power, we can use the law to cut them down to size. When Congress makes mistakes in drafting the law, we create the ability to build illiberal empires. But empires are not creatures of the law. They would still exist without it, making their own laws that would be far worse than the ones Congress gives us.
You don't want to know what kind of laws Tim Cook would write if he was freed from having to comply with US law.
You've missed the point I think. Tim Cook is fine with US law. His corporation and other corporations are the ones that draft it!
> If an entity is too powerful and abusing their power, we can use the law to cut them down to size.
You and I do not draft laws. Corporations have no interest in cutting themselves down to size. (What world are you on?!?)
The only interest corporations have is giving us just enough to carry us over the line. They need our acceptance, consent, buy-in to justify their insane nonsense.
All that disappears very easily and naturally, once you realise that one only needs to refer to one's own innate morality over what one can and cannot do.
I suppose it is?
- Only capable of breaking copy protection
- Have minimal commercial utility other than to break copy protection
- Are advertised as being able to break copy protection
If you sold someone an aux cord with the marketing slogan "Copy music off Spotify and stop paying for your subscription", that'd violate 1201(a)(2) because of that third prong[0]. There's also plenty of copy protection circumvention tools that DON'T trip 1201(a)(2) because they aren't marketed as such and have noninfringing uses. For example, Google Chrome. You can use it to bypass right-click blockers because it lets you open Devtools without right-clicking. However, browsers have loads of commercial utility outside of this, and they don't specifically advertise their ability to get around annoying right-click scripts, so they're legal.
We don't normally contemplate this sort of thing because most DRM is specifically designed to be both obvious and separable from other permissible behavior. You cannot accidentally write a DVD decryptor that doesn't trip 1201(a)(2). This has led to people mistakenly assuming that the DMCA requires encryption to be involved or something for a copy protection circumvention tool to be illegal.
[0] I've actually seen this happen. There was someone selling VGA cables marketed as a way to copy Netflix.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectix_Virtual_Game_Station
The files iTunes produced from ripping CDs were never copy protected.
I’m told, of course.
Wait until they find out that Microsoft has been providing tools like COPY and XCOPY with their OS for decades...
The Amiga's X-COPY, on the other hand...
Implementation among signatory countries is high enough to laugh when people say "Well, this doesn't affect me because I'm not American." Unless you live in North Korea or Russia, DMCA 1201 applies to you.
Copyright law is so foundational to world trade that the only way 1201 would get repealed would be if there was some kind of mass uprising against copyright overreach in many signatory countries. In that case, so many large countries would have repealed their DMCA 1201 equivalent legislation that nobody would dare actually try to enforce WTO sanctions against them. At worst, a few countries would demand some horse trades[1].
Practically speaking, however, democracies are bad at protecting against small harms exacted against large numbers of people[2], so this never happens. Europe has the Pirate Party but the most successful national iterations of it have had to adopt broader Green[3] and technolibertarian agendas in order to have any semblance of electoral viability. In the US, first-past-the-post is an insurmountable hurdle despite the fragility and incompetence of our two major parties. Here, political issues don't so much form new parties as much as they infect the shambling corpses of existing ones.
Barring that, if only one country decided to repeal their anti-circumvention laws I imagine there'd be a lot of grumbling from the US or Japan, potentially new tariffs, but no outright sanctions. The weird part about world trade is that a lot of these provisions are only enforceable on very poor countries. China blatantly violates WIPO all the time and we, practically speaking, cannot quit them. There is no international leviathan capable of, say, rolling tanks on Beijing and demanding market access and copyright enforcement.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_laundering
[1] Term of art for "unrelated and usually minuscule things used to bargain for a larger purpose"
[2] e.g. how Intuit got the US government to not provide tax preparation services or software to the public for a decade and a half so they could sell their own offering. It's a thing that annoys people but not enough to get voters to flip sides.
[3] including German "Green", i.e. "nuclear is bad, so we shut down all our nuke plants and started burning lignite[4] instead"
[4] What's lignite? Lignite balls.
If the DMCA is found to hinder the effective exercise of a fair use right, it could be struck down (either facially or in an as-applied challenge)
But that's kind of a solution, isn't it?
Suppose the law prohibited circumvention but only when the copy made is an actual infringement and not fair use. And didn't prohibit tools, or at least tools with a substantial non-infringing use. For example you couldn't sell a satellite descrambler that solely allows the customer to watch without paying, but you could sell a device that allows a paying customer to make a fair use copy. Something like that.
So you comply with the treaty without the catastrophic overreach of the existing DMCA 1201.
There was a recent Cult of the Dead Cow release that claims "encrypt all the things, Tor but for phones" or some such but I haven't studied it to know how much is aspirational https://gitlab.com/veilid/veilid#welcome-to-veilid https://twitter.com/VeilidNetwork https://nitter.net/VeilidNetwork
Okay, maybe you could always technically sue someone for watching a YouTube video, but it was practically way more difficult by having to go through Google first to get an IP. P2P skips that step because you dox yourself whenever you use it.
competes with the web 2.0 SaaS pinning services like Pinata
a third party service https://web3.storage built a file storage tool on the permissionless network that uses filecoin nodes to pin IPFS links, so it doesn't matter? this third party service tries to make a business model and has overhead costs, and that currently involves a 5gb free tier with unlimited bandwidth. Used to be 100gb. Still cheaper than Pinata and other pinning services that don't use filecoin. And all of that is cheaper than company run centralized file storage because those charge by bandwidth and cant be compared.
This discussion isn't really about whether the service provider has costs, its about a solution for consumers the same way we would talk about a VC subsidized centralized service that happens to be free, for now.
I would support a political party that intends to change this, but I don't think any party I vote for actually cares about it.
Historically, carrier pigeons (or homing pigeons) have been used to deliver messages over long distances. There's even a humorous and real experiment where a carrier pigeon carrying a USB stick was faster in transmitting data than an ADSL connection: the "Pigeon vs. Internet" race.
But in all seriousness, the point you're making is valid. Bandwidth is not free, and the resources required to maintain and expand the internet's infrastructure are significant. It's easy to forget about the underlying systems when we use everyday services. Just like water and electricity, the convenience of modern technology can make it easy to overlook the complexity and cost of the infrastructure that makes it possible.
So, while we don't have to feed and care for digital pigeons, it's always a good reminder to be appreciative and conscientious of the resources we use.
brew install yt-dlp
alias vget=yt-dlp
alias aget='vget --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 --audio-quality 4'
# https://opencollective.com/homebrew
# https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/Collaborators.md#collaboratorsOf course, up to you, but most youtube videos are actually an AAC (m4a) codec and thus by asking for mp3 you're going to get a transcoding ffmpeg subprocess in between the bytes and the file in your directory. I would be stunned if whatever your ultimate consuming player is doesn't support aac/m4a/mp4 playback
$ yt-dlp -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...
139 m4a audio only 2 | 1.47MiB 49k https | audio only mp4a.40.5 49k 22k low, IOS, m4a_dash
140 m4a audio only 2 | 3.90MiB 129k https | audio only mp4a.40.2 129k 44k medium, IOS, m4a_dash
249 webm audio only 2 | 1.54MiB 51k https | audio only opus 51k 48k low, ANDR, webm_dash
250 webm audio only 2 | 2.02MiB 67k https | audio only opus 67k 48k low, ANDR, webm_dash
251 webm audio only 2 | 3.95MiB 131k https | audio only opus 131k 48k medium, ANDR, webm_dash
599 m4a audio only 2 | 950.46KiB 31k https | audio only mp4a.40.5 31k 22k ultralow, ANDR, m4a_dash
600 webm audio only 2 | 1.06MiB 35k https | audio only opus 35k 48k ultralow, ANDR, webm_dashthanks for the tip
function sideload() {
mv $1 "$HOME/Library/Mobile Documents/iCloud~co~supertop~castro/Documents/Sideloads/"
echo "Sideloaded $1 to Castro; should be available soon."
}We also see that even with these protectionist policies, only a select few are ever even able to be economically viable, let alone successful. Art's opportunity cost is so front-loaded that it's difficult to produce things while working full time, so the majority of potential successes are prevented from even starting. And then the artistic process is impeded by these laws, as rentiers cry "similarity" over the most absurd things, which creates a chilling effect. It's particularly bad in music.
The best way to support the arts is UBI and the abolition of copyright.
This reasoning is taken at face value in most discussion but should be challenged. A lot of assumptions and potentially specious logic is embedded here, and it's not clear and obvious that any of the following are true:
* it is impossible to make money from ideas after they are made public
* Paying people to encourage making ideas public increases the amount of value
* most ideas are worth anything at all
* that the most valuable ideas will be made public even with these protection regimes in place
It's arguable that even though there was less information out there before copyrights and patents became a thing, that people were still driven to create art and science, and the quality per unit might have even been higher. And even with patent and copyright in place, truly valuable ideas are still kept secret.
The core value proposition of copyrights and patents is to make middlemen money.
they also protect smaller and potentially more innovative operations from being out-executed by large capital pools.
i know that often times patents have been used by larger and more entrenched concerns to try and control entire spaces (like edison's mppc) but i often wonder how often the patent system has provided some breathing room and opportunity to build something of value for startups working in areas that large players come to identify as potentially profitable...
This is naive reasoning. People have been publishing content without any DRM and have been earning money regardless. There are even people who don't care whether they make money or not. So, monetary incentive is not a must for ideas, or any kind of work, to become public. To the contrary, such incentives drive out good ideas, or works, in favor of bad ones, which only care about the money and not the benefit of the society.
Funny joke. Everybody laughs.
Not that the current term we have isn't extremely too long. And whole concept of lifetime being involved isn't just weird.
Ain't that some bullshit.
I think it's a very strange argument.
- When you recorded off the radio, you usually had someone talking over the beginning, end, or both (and this was by design, because the radio station knew that if you had a good copy you wouldn't listen to the radio anymore)
- Your copy was a lot worse quality than what you could otherwise buy
- You could at best distribute it to a few hundred or maybe even 1000 people if you were really well connected.
With videos on YouTube you can:
- Get an unaltered copy
- In exactly the same quality as the original
- Which you can easily redistribute to millions
It's not exactly an equal comparison. An equal comparison would be copying on VHS from analog broadcast TV. Which was also legal.
If such adulteration was sufficient to prevent my listening to the recording, than I wouldn't listen to the radio in the first place. Radio is at least no better than my recording if it always contains such effects.
> With videos on YouTube you can:
> - Which you can easily redistribute to millions
Which platform might I use to perform this redistribution? And how am I to compete with the copy retrievable from the bands own youtube page?
Training data would be easy. Take a bunch of videos, play them on a screen, record the screen. You now have the input and the output, x and y. It's just supervised learning from there.
I know there are better options currently, but in the end we have this, unless they take away general purpose computing (but that would a huge blow to our economy).
I use the site to save random Twitter and Youtube videos. They aren’t publicly shared. Kind of disheartening to see a random video removed without knowing which one. And all for paying $108/year for a simple convenience.
Definitely downloading all of them and canceling.
I have it sitting on a URL and I have an iOS share shortcut to throw any URL at it and it downloads the video.
Copy-paste from my ansible setup if you're interested, shouldn't be that hard to convert to docker-compose.
- name: Build metube options separately, avoids inline JSON in metube setup
ansible.builtin.set_fact:
metube_ytdl_options:
postprocessors:
- key: FFmpegEmbedSubtitle
- key: SponsorBlock
categories:
- sponsor
- key: ModifyChapters
remove_sponsor_segments:
- sponsor
subtitleslangs:
- en
- "-live_chat"
verbose: true
writeautomaticsub: true
writesubtitles: true
- name: Create metube container
community.general.docker_container:
container_default_behavior: "no_defaults"
name: metube
image: alexta69/metube:latest
restart_policy: always
env:
UID: "{{ plex_userid }}"
GID: "{{ docker_users_groupid }}"
DELETE_FILE_ON_TRASHCAN: "false"
DOWNLOAD_DIRS_INDEXABLE: "true"
DOWNLOAD_DIR: /downloads
TEMP_DIR: /metube-tmp
STATE_DIR: /config
TZ: "{{ timezone }}"
YTDL_OPTIONS: "{{ metube_ytdl_options | to_json }}"
mounts:
- type: bind
source: /stacks/metube/config
target: /config
read_only: false
- type: volume
source: metube_tmp_location_volume
target: /metube-tmp
- type: volume
source: plex_metube_volume
target: /downloads
labels:
"traefik.enable": "true"
"traefik.http.routers.metube.middlewares": "authelia@docker"
"traefik.http.routers.metube.service": "metube"
"traefik.http.routers.metube-no-auth.rule": "Host(`metube.home.domain.com`) && (PathPrefix(`/favicon`) || PathPrefix(`/add`))"
"traefik.http.routers.metube-no-auth.service": "metube"
"traefik.http.services.metube.loadbalancer.server.port": "8081"
ports: []
dns_servers:
- "{{ docker_network_ipv4_bridge_dns }}" # adguard
networks:
- name: bridge_ipv4This does look pretty slick though.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37089545 (> 220 comments)
pretty wild when you think about it.
Since we're talking about video, I think a better analogy would be using a VCR to record broadcasting, and there was certainly a legal battle over that too.
The solution is to host the software in a country that doesn’t have laws against distributing circumvention code, this is how VLC does it. If you host on GitHub then you’re at the mercy of US law.
In Sony v. Universal, the usage of the VCR was justified based on a very narrow, very uncommon use case: if there were a TV show that aired exactly once, and for some reason you wanted to see it but couldn't, and it would never air again, you had the legal right to record one copy for later viewing. (I'm not sure if you had to destroy the copy after viewing it.) On that basis, and that basis alone, was the VCR ruled to have a legal use case. Otherwise it was pretty much a copyright violation device. Justice Blackmun, in his dissent, was clear that even making a single copy for personal use violates copyright law.
Fair use covers making excerpts of a work, not copying a full work, for purposes of reporting, criticism, parody, and the like. If you record or download a full song or video without permission, YOU ARE INFRINGING ON COPYRIGHT.
Entirely different question is does offering a tool for this process constitute as fair use as well. Specially if there is DRM involved. Or does tool need to work in specific way to qualify? For example you could record video on your own machine while watching it, but could not directly download a copy?
https://mastodon.social/@HalvarFlake/110883667162838296/embe...
curl -A "" -40s https://mastodon.social/@HalvarFlake/110883667162838296/ \
|sed -n '/./{/property=\"og:url\"/,/name=.description.>/{
s/. name=.description.>//;
s/<meta content=.//;
s/\".*//;
s/"/\"/g;
p;};}'[1]: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1peUSMsvFGvqD5yKh3GprskLC... [2]: any plain HTML page can be represented as an ActivityPub Article
At the time it was immediately shot down, but if someone made the same proposal now I suspect it might not be. It would certainly liven US elections up.
However, things you buy on YouTube movies really should be downloadable.
With DRM it's possible for platforms to offer streaming, which necessarily involves downloading, but without consumers retaining streamed content on their devices in a usable format, and that's an acceptable deal for some content people. But there are always going to be potential circumventions, especially if these devices are general purpose computers. We can have have computers we control, or effective DRM (= computers that somebody else controls).
DRM bad.
The current experiment of seeing how many $10-$20 corporations consumers are willing to pay monthly ends either with monopoly/oligopoly of art or a new golden age of piracy.
Whatever the "excuse" of the uploaders and the host of those uploads (youtube), the sheer number of copyright protected material uploaded in clear sight should be the main concern of any copyright enforcer, not those who download.
Private copying levy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy
Catching someone in an inconsistency is not a path to winning anything in business and politics. They don't care if they're consistent.
https://newpipe.en.softonic.com/android/download?utm_source=...
and,
https://yt3-music-downloader.en.softonic.com/android https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
and: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-...
And I'm sure many others. I guess as long as the situation is such that it is not stupidly easy to figure out how to get around the restrictions that "prevent" downloading YT videos, workarounds and options will continue to be available. Information is very hard to lock away if it is on the internet and available to the public to some degree. I imagine he situation is considerably different in more totalitarian countries like China and North Korea, where content and online activity is scrutinized/monitored by the government more "thoroughly".
It seems hard to find a line in the sense that recording technology is becoming more and more common, as is the trend of social media companies wanting the masses to "share" their experiences on social media. Hypothetically, if I record a concert with Snapchat spectacles and then upload the snap to YouTube, am I committing some kind of copyright infringement or am I simply sharing an experience with my "followers"? I have actually had videos of concerts that I recorded on my phone taken down from YouTube, even though it wasn't like I recorded with a professional camera or even that the recording sounded particularly good, but I guess some content management stoolies on YouTube (and I imagine Vimeo and maybe LBRY/Odysee/elsewhere) are paid to try to take down content that appears to be bypassing the creators' ability to collect money for their material.
As noted elsewhere, section 1201 should not apply to non-infringing uses.
You mean, "hasn't yet been enforced on a person by person basis". If history has proven anything, it is that the government and their corporate masters will do everything they can to expand their powers by passing new laws and enacting new regulations so that they can extract every dollar they can.
Edit: Fixed the typo in the word "normally".
Either case distribution should be protected.
Remember how they whined against DAT and basically had it killed (abetted by Congress), claiming that "perfect digital copies" would destroy their business? Meanwhile, everybody on the planet knew that essentially all "piracy" took place on double-cassette boom boxes in dorm rooms.
And sure enough, even when "piracy" went digital, it was in the form of lossy MP3s... far from perfect. So their story was a lie from top to bottom... but we've seen our "representatives" abet ever-greater crimes against consumers at their behest. The absurd tax on blank media, and the DMCA (and even more-egregious proposals since) stand as disgraceful examples.
Do you remember when Circuit City or Best Buy offered "every CD $10.99 or less?" The idea was to bring people into their stores, where they'd buy other stuff. But all of a sudden that deal disappeared. It turns out that the record companies threatened those retailers with financial sanctions (by withholding cooperative advertising funds) if they continued to offer those prices.
The record companies were sued for this behavior, which prosecutors said ripped off consumers for $400 million. Gee, this is the same figure that the record companies whined that Napster cost them. Karma is a bitch.
I still have the stub of my $13 settlement check from these assholes.
Instead, you seem to mean a violation of copyright. Copyright exists "to stimulate artistic creativity for the general public good." "The main purpose of the Copyright Act is the public good of use and access to works of art, even if such a public good comes at the expense of the author of the work." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Century_Music_Corp._...).
And then my opinion: In this age, copyright fails at that. It even has the opposite effect of resulting in less use and less access to works of art. I think it would benefit the public if copyright were abolished (or at least shortened to 20 years, similar to the amount of years that a person gets from a patent to exclusively produce and sell their invention before anyone may do that). I do think however that it should be a duty to mention the source or original author when sharing a work.
[footnote]: but you can neglect to mention the source, or uncover and share information someone wants to keep private
Also, unauthorized distribution is unauthorized distribution, not theft. Theft has a special legal meaning, and that isn’t it.
They don't get to do that.
Also what's the hypocrisy?