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Well, it starts at €480 (Linux) - €720 for the Mac for a pure IDE, without the ability to produce executables. You are limited to run your programs inside the development environment, this limits its applicability a lot. You can't write a simple command line utility this way, just to name one example. You cannot give it to a friend etc. The HobbyistDV edition is in my eyes the first really usable one. It is already over €1400, and that is for a single OS, a single CPU architecture. Especially as a hobbyist I might be able to play around with it a bit. I would be interested if there is any customer who has more than one hobbyistDV license. And that doesn't seem to include any updates.

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> The HobbyistDV edition is in my eyes the first really usable one. It is already over €1400

Less than 1000 if you can live with 32 bits but I wonder if someone goes for that option nowadays.

> and that is for a single OS, a single CPU architecture.

The MacOS version supports both Apple Silicon and Intel.

The macOS version is not available as 32-bit edition so it is twice as expensive as the cheapest 32-bit version.

Also, you are not allowed to give a saved image away / cannot run it without the licensed LispWorks installation.

> Also, you are not allowed to give a saved image away / cannot run it without the licensed LispWorks installation.

I think you're not talking now about the HobbyistDV version mentioned in the parent comment, are you?

macOS itself is no longer available as 32-bit edition, but as 64bit versions on two processor platforms.

> Less than 1000 if you can live with 32 bits but I wonder if someone goes for that option nowadays.

Right. I don't count the 32 Bit versions as serious contenders.

> The MacOS version supports both Apple Silicon and Intel.

That is good news. For pure Mac users this is interesting, still very expensive. Personally, my development time is split between MacOS and Linux.

By the way, this is not completely correct:

> You are limited to run your programs inside the development environment, this limits its applicability a lot. You can't write a simple command line utility this way, just to name one example.

You can save and run a console-only image which doesn't start the graphical IDE.

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