Note that the cost for private usage starts at a few hundred €. You only get to "thousands" if you include multiple platforms or several support incidents.
Need windows and Mac? That’s another $4500 for each.
A cross platform app would cost $15,500 PER DEVELOPER.
I work for a fortune 500 company and they’d just say no at those prices. It’s an absolute no go for regular companies.
and also the 5k license is a one time fee. over the course of say 5 years its
5100 [first two years]
+ (1125 * 3) [next three]
= 1695 a year [asymptotically approaching 1125]
+ (5 * 2000)[the mobile runtimes *are* annual although as with desktop you wouldn't actually need everyone to have both, or either]
= 3695 a year [asymptotically approaching 3125]
I'm not saying it's cheap mind you but even at 3700 a year * 100 devs, if your bumping up against sharp edges in SBCL: 370000 only gets you 1-2 devs to work on those edges.
At the size of a Google adding developers works out to be cheaper than licensing software for all the existing devs. But a lot of companies don't have high 3-4 digits worth of devs such that they can break off a team to work on support technology instead of core internal business apps or products.
Let's say you have 25 devs on a 5-year project. 5 of them are mobile focused, 5 are windows focused, 5 are mac/Linux focused, and 10 are focused on the cloud/server side of the project.
We'll make the (probably bad) assumption that you don't need enterprise licenses for the desktop app portion. We'll further assume that windows devs use only windows and backend devs use only Linux while mobile and mac/Linux devs use both the systems they work on.
First 2 years (because we get a discount on year 1 maintenance)
$17,000 for 5 64-bit windows professional
$51,000 for 10 64-bit linux enterprise
$37,000 for 5 64-bit mac professional and 5 pairs of mobile for 2 years
$34,000 for 5 64-bit mac professional and 5 64-bit linux professional
$139,000 for first 2 years
Next 3 years (maintenance and mobile annual fees)
$11,250 for 5 64-bit windows professional
$33,750 for 10 64-bit linux enterprise
$41,250 for 5 64-bit mac professional and 5 pairs of mobile for 3 years
$22,500 for 5 64-bit mac professional and 5 64-bit linux professional
$108,750 for next 3 years
$247,750 for project.
First 2 years
$9,000 - 25 devs for 2 years of enterprise Java
$14,975 - 25 devs for year 1 of IntelliJ Ultimate ($599/yr/dev)
$11,975 - 25 devs for year 2 of IntelliJ Ultimate ($479/yr/dev)
$35,950 for first 2 years
next 3 years
$13,500 - 25 devs for 3 years of enterprise Java
$8,975 - 25 devs for year 3-5 of IntelliJ Ultimate ($359/yr/dev)
$22,475 for next 3 years
$58,425 for project
I'd calculate these for LispWorks, but they don't even provide that option at all. If you forego maintenance entirely, you're still stuck with $115,000 the first year and $40,000 for the remaining 4 years of subscription to mobile meaning your absolute minimum here is $155,000 and exceeds even the top-end budget for a Java project. If you turn out to need the Enterprise version for the non-backend devs and want maintenance, that cost goes up to $267,875.
The difference in money is enough to provide every team member with a new $4,000 laptop year 2 and again year 4 OR to increase their yearly bonus by $1600.
Less than 1000 if you can live with 32 bits but I wonder if someone goes for that option nowadays.
> and that is for a single OS, a single CPU architecture.
The MacOS version supports both Apple Silicon and Intel.
Right. I don't count the 32 Bit versions as serious contenders.
> The MacOS version supports both Apple Silicon and Intel.
That is good news. For pure Mac users this is interesting, still very expensive. Personally, my development time is split between MacOS and Linux.
Also, you are not allowed to give a saved image away / cannot run it without the licensed LispWorks installation.
I think you're not talking now about the HobbyistDV version mentioned in the parent comment, are you?
> You are limited to run your programs inside the development environment, this limits its applicability a lot. You can't write a simple command line utility this way, just to name one example.
You can save and run a console-only image which doesn't start the graphical IDE.