Ok, so Jordan got lucky a couple times to get out of the first round. Also 1990 is not the 80's. He was pretty happy to hit that shot against Cleveland in the first round though, which shows how much of a struggle it was to get out of the first round.

> He joined a horrendous team when he was drafted.

So did Isiah Thomas. But Isiah Thomas won a championship in the 80's. Jordan was not someone Isiah worried about, his competition was Magic and Bird. Isiah also beat North Carolina in college in his sophomore year to win the NCAA (against Worthy and Perkins, Jordan wasn't on that team)

> Also, Pistons played as a team, and then Jordan took over and ended that era.

Actually the expansion of the NBA ended that era, because the Pistons were not able to keep Mahorn. If they kept that team together, Bulls don't win in 1991. If Worthy is healthy in 1991, Bulls don't win either. If Michael Cooper stayed with the Lakers that year, Bulls definitely don't win in 1991.

> Jordan was the leader of the best team of all time. The 95-96 Bulls. Any talk about "team game" in 80s and before doesn't change that.

Every team that won in the early 80's would have beat the 95-96 Bulls EASILY. This includes the 76ers. Magic won it in his first year in the league. Bird won it in his second year. Andrew Toney is one of the most underrated players ever. Jordan didn't win until everybody else got old.