There are other boxes too, each box with a slightly different experience and each with a different price to pay. The price is irrelevant to the discussion though.
My question for you is, why is MDMA profound? Why the focus on this particular box. Why aren't you talking about the profound experiences generated by meth or heroin?
"You clearly haven't taken Meth."
If MDMA users claim it's profound, is it really the same in the eyes of a meth user who has done both MDMA and meth? If the meth user can invalidate the experience with his own, then what does it say in general?
(edit - rate limited so can't respond below. 'Meth' is a strong stimulant, with some associated euphoria, it's not a profound emotional experience like mdma. Yes I'm speaking from experience. Phenethylamine-derived drugs are massively varied in their effects, see also for example the true-psychedelic mescaline, 2C-x and, well, the whole of Pihkal)
My guess is that once you take Meth, MDMA isn't really that big of a deal anymore.
They're totally different. My experience of them was totally different.
I found mdma more personal, soul-engaging, pleasurable and enlightning.
Meth was just overwhelming, rushy, detached feeling euphoria with a air of anxiety.
why do you keep making comments like this about meth in this thread?
better comparison, LSD and shrooms are very profound, but in a different way than E, think like introspective -vs- social
even better comparison is 2ct7, felt like a nice balanced combination of mdma and lsd, profound but not overwhelmingly
Here's a better way to phrase the question. Has someone who has taken both MDMA, heroin and Meth care to explain the differences in "profoundness" or "life affirmation" levels of each drug?
I suspect ignorance is bliss. People who haven't taken MDMA don't know how profound it is. People who have taken MDMA but not Meth don't realize that MDMA is childs play and that Meth is even more profound.
Cocaine feels very different to MDMA and heroin is different still.
MDMAs effect is one of filling your brain and body with love, bliss, sexuality and euphoria. Every sense you have is now coloured with absolute pleasure.
That's a very specific feeling. Comparing the effects of drugs in a way that judges their relative value is usually not helpful.
For example MDMA isn't hallucination inducing like LSD.
Other drugs transport your consciousness to completely alien experiences of space and time.
MDMA isn't like that. You're still you and your experiences, experienced through a new lense of pleasure.
There is always overlap, the palette of chemicals to alter in your brain is limited and these drugs alter often the same ones in different ways.
It isn't the drug that is important, but the experience. That's subjective and as tricky as judging the beauty of art.
Cocaine for example is fun. It feels good. You're energised, uninhibited, and combined with alcohol products enhanced euphoria. But if cocaine is Jackson Pollock then MDMA is Georgia O'Keeffe.
Have you done MDMA AND heroin/Meth? More important meth. Because these drugs have a huge overlap when you examine the physiological effects. Pleasure, love and bliss are generated by the same chemical.
I don't know of, first had or by proxy, another drug as gentle and wonderful as mdma.
It is my drug of choice, maybe once or twice a year because I feel it is unique in the ones I've tried. The risks are worth the reward.
Many substituted phenethylamines are psychoactive drugs, which belong to a variety of different drug classes, including central nervous system stimulants (e.g., amphetamine), hallucinogens (e.g., 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine), entactogens (e.g., 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine), appetite suppressants (e.g. phentermine), nasal decongestants and bronchodilators (e.g., pseudoephedrine), antidepressants (e.g. bupropion), antiparkinson agents (e.g., selegiline), and vasopressors (e.g., ephedrine), among others. Many of these psychoactive compounds exert their pharmacological effects primarily by modulating monoamine neurotransmitter systems; however, there is no mechanism of action or biological target that is common to all members of this subclass.
There is a bit of overlap on feelings but Molly isn't like straight amphetamines and opiates don't feel the same at all. If I had to try to correlate the feeling of these substances to sober feelings here is what I would say. Amphetamines are like the anticipation/anxiety of a big event or meeting a new love. MDMA is like being in love, but with everything and everyone. Opiates are like a really long, whole body, orgasm. Just pure euphoria.
Truth is just an expression. I use it in the same light as "profoundness".
I understand the stigma associated with the drug. But the emotions generated by the drugs themselves are in reality actualized by the brain and that actualization cannot be invalidated. It is worth it to ask, think and wonder about this actualization even when you have no plans around taking the drugs yourself.
It's like saying the pleasure you feel when you eat a food you like isn't real.
Or the feelings you feel when someone kisses you aren't real.
Drawing arbitrary lines around what is real feeling based on the stimuli is very strange and usually driven by ignorance or fear.
Same goes for bonding, closeness and so on. You just tricked your brain into hallucinating emotional responses for things that are not there.
Salt enhances the flavour of food, MDMA enhances the experience that's already there.
It doesn't just invent the feelings, instead amplifies the feelings you have.
Is salt just fake taste?
If you think MDMA is giving you a feeling of deep friendship with a perfect stranger, then you might be hallucinating the feeling of a long and strong relationship.
However, that's not really the feeling you're getting on molly. It's more recognizing the preciousness of our shared humanity. If done with a friend or a lover, this in itself is a genuine bonding experience. If done with a stranger, you're not expecting anything more after the experience, but it still feels valuable.
The topic at hand is centered around drugs that generate pleasure. You're a little left field with hallucinogenic drugs. I'm sure there's some sort of "profoundness" there as well but it's a different topic.