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GM have been doing really well with both the crossover Bolt and the Cadillac Lyriq. I’d happily buy either of them over a Tesla.

Ford has the Mustang and the Lightning.

I’ve seen all of these on the roads recently. As many, if not more than I see Teslas. I am not in California where Tesla probably has a locational advantage due to the infrastructure being better for EVs.

Thinking Tesla is the only company investing in electric is insane. GM and Ford’s body panel alignment embarrasses these Teslas too.

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When I was in Sweden this summer, I was really surprised by the amount of EVs on the roads, and how 90% of them were not Teslas. Quite the contrast to California, or Hawaii, where it's 90% Tesla, and a small handful of others.

It's not hard to see what competition is going to do to Tesla's marketshare in the US once all those models are introduced here.

Sweden = Europe, Hawaii = USA.

But in neighboring Norway you'd find a ton of Teslas, when before Tesla an American made car would be a very strange sight there (Ford excepted, but not the USA versions of Ford).

You didn't claim otherwise, but Ford does a lot of engineering and manufacturing in Europe, particularly the Cologne area. In European Ford models, the most American things are maybe the company itself and the infotainment software.

In the UK as well, I believe.

Yes, because Norway was way ahead of the curve on EV adoption for a bunch of reasons.

However, Tesla is down to a 10% market-share in Norway as well, so they completely squandered their first-mover advantage there as well. Apparently the "dinosaurs" managed to ramp up and pivot quite nicely despite what everyone said.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that, thank you for the correction. Incredible in a way, to be so far ahead and with such a regulatory tailwind to be able to squander the lead.

One of the things that has been at the back of my mind is this: when the CEO of a large company is selling large volumes of stock they know more than anybody what is at stake. A CEO that has an optimistic outlook about the company they run will buy stock, not sell it. Elon has been selling across a 50% drop as though it makes no difference.

> Norway was way ahead of the curve on EV adoption for a bunch of reasons

Ironic given how much they benefited from exporting pollution to the rest of the planet.

I'm excited for the Silverado EV work truck, Chevy is promising it will tow 20,000lbs by 2024, and seems very reasonably priced ~ $39k.

From what I've seen on youtube / auto magazines, towing with an EV takes a massive hit to its range, way more than a diesel truck. If it's only an occasional thing (e.g. take the boat to the lake on the weekends, now with an extra hour sitting at a charger), then it's probably a good tradeoff. If hauling is your job, it might not be there yet :(

What is the range of the truck that GM will sell to the general public at 39k in 2024 with 20k towing capacity?

Chevy is lying. It will tow 20,000lbs, but for 50 miles only, and it will cost $40k, but for a nonexistent trim that comes without battery and wheels. Real specs will be 5,000lbs x 250 miles @ $100k (with taxes and other bs).

Ford has already released an F150 EV that starts under $40k.

Actual official starting price is $52K. But still - I have a deal of a lifetime for you. Ill buy 100 of them from you right now paying $62K cash money. You have a chance of a lifetime to make a cool $1mil shuffling some paper. How about it?

pro tip: they lie, thats what desperate car companies do.

How are they lying? Lol

For the record, I don’t tell Fords. If you’re referring to the inability to get one… yeah, it’s extremely popular.

Its not popular, its manufactured in small numbers (few thousand per month) and sold at huge dealer premiums.

Chevy is lying about the price same way Ford was. Nobody bought Lightning at msrp other than brand advocates and media personalities (certain youtubers magically get allocated unobtanium cars skipping queue and sticker price).

I think your conspiracy theories are misplaced.

So how about those Lightnings? Maybe only 10? Ill pay $70K cash money. Mysteriously a couple car youtubers I follow were able to buy before public at sticker price. Same goes for 2023 Z06 vette.

Between small inventory and dealer premiums those halo cars are just PR stunts.

Might want to check prices again.

Would you like to buy a slightly used bridge in Brooklyn?

>GM have been doing really well with both the crossover Bolt

recalled for burning down houses

>Ford has the Mustang and the Lightning.

truck with range going down to less than 30-40% if its slightly cold or if you tow an empty trailer

GM have been doing really well with both the crossover Bolt and the Cadillac Lyriq. I’d happily buy either of them over a Tesla.

Until you have to use Electrify America. Good luck with that!

I've had a Bolt for more than a year (it's a great car) and I don't know what Electrify America is. (Looked it up, it's a network of charging stations)

How many Lyriq's do you think will be delivered in 2023? What do you think the margins on those are going to be?

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