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You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources.

There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks.

Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one.

I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us.

Why people like you think it's reasonable at all NOT TO BE careful for a totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus?

This is srsly your first response to a unknown new thread? Ignoring it?

And the situation at the beginning with alpha then beta and then delta was constantly changing.

And I really hope you are at least as opiniated about all the other scams and not just your 'covid scam' like homeopathic 'medicin' and other things like religion.

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> There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks.

But not plenty positive ones. And not plenty sufficient big ones.

> in a way that it was always clear from the beginning

It was clear from the beginning, that the IFR is around 0.1 and 0.2 %, with a much higher rate for old men. So an appropriate reaction was for sure not the hysteric, fascist way.

> totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus

This is bullshit. The virus is from a well known family, and has just some new sequences on some of its proteins. Cross-immunity in many people was near sure. And at least the cleavage site of the S protein has a sequence patented (in 2016 by Moderna), so I guess it was not really unknown, either.

My opinions are less religious than that of most other people. Did you really dare to answer to one of the comments to your comment with a link to a press release of the MPI, instead of a peer reviewed article?

And an addition to your remark of 'not new': not sure if you nitpick or try to counter my point but you think that COVID as it is was nothing new? Nothing unknown and we should just have let it rip through the planet?

At least I don't know any other virus everyone got I know we're a few people had strong bad reactions and lasting issues for longer than a month.

Besides that, totally overrun hospitals with an highly contagious 'new' virus (including the risk you have with something normal while the hospitals were busy)

Humanity exists a little bit longer than you. But this kind of hubris is typical.

In Germany there were no overrun hospitals.

'Nuff said.

There were.

Why are you lying?

Scroll down this page to the time series graphics:

https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/corona-lage-auf-den-intensivst...

And now tell me where the full ICUs are [edit: and notice the 'big' amount of COVID19 patients].

And furthermore, notice the diminishing amount of total ICUs during this 'pandemic'.

Soooo you are what in your daily life?

Why have you not been part of the pandemic expert group?

I'm happy to get primary sources from you which you will easily be able to produce.

Can you point me to any studies that show masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way? My understanding is that there are only studies of areas that had mask mandates (or not) and the assumption that such mandates (or not) actually relate to spread, but not actually studies that conclude even N95 masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way.

https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protectio...

This is from the well known max Planck institute from Germany (we're I live)

The other studies you can easily find are also from well known institutes.

Yet the overall effect of mandating n95s in Germany seems negligible. Few places mandated well fitted n95s, a cloth mask was all. But then the masks were there to keep up the illusion of a pandemic, little more.

"seems" based on what?

What research?

For you personal?

Public transport mandated ffp2 masks though at the beginning and in Bavaria I primarily saw them.

But still of everything the mask thing is and was always a no brainer. Even if a good study might say later it did only save a few x people in comparison to the effort I don't mind.

At the beginning there was also a lot of isolation due to overwhelmed hospitals. They were real and still struggling.

The biggest issue in my opinion was that we as a society with so much knowledge and automitsation struggled sooo much with either people working from home or not needing to work.

"Seems" based on the case numbers shown on world in data. Given that forcing masks onto the healthy population (regardless of symptoms or previous infection) is a new intervention it should be up to those mandating them to prove that they work rather than me to demonstrate otherwise.

Can you point me to anywhere on the graph that indicates that they improved the outcome? I believe that they were mandated in Bavaria in mid January 2021, and the rest of the country in April 2021. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

Here is your 'no-brainer':

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-c...

How is this related to my comment of masks being a no brainer?

no brainer in that you would need no brain to assume they they "work" at this stage

It is you who clearly need to step back and look at Sweden who didn't follow WHO lockdowns and it is doing better than Australia.

Sweden has 10 Million people in a small area and have totally different weather and culture than Australia.

Australia has 25 Million people.

The Netherlands for example had a much more open COVID strategy than Germany but culture wise there were much less weird / crazy people spewing miss information than what happens in Germany.

Sweden urbanization 88%, Australia 86%. Swedes were not following masks rules and no strict lockdowns. Do you mean it is climate that makes Australia excessive deaths?

From pure weather point of view I would assume Australia would be better off.

But population density in Sweden is 24p/km^2 while Australia has 3.3people/km^2.

Scandinavian countries are at least known to follow rules quite well as the trust for the gov is high.

They do had social distancing rules for example. Closed some school levels and forbid mass events.

Sweden also had one of the highest death rates at the beginning of COVID.

I haven't followed Australia to more detail though.

Edit: Scandinavian countries are also known for their really good internet (remote work)

How does country population density play role where people in both countries live in cities?

Rules in Sweden were no nursing homes visits and no gathering above 50 people.

Look at youtube videos of social distance in Swedish metro during covid, hint there were no distancing.

Average age person who died with covid was 84 years old. Most of these deaths were in nursing homes, which once government realized it, visits were banned.

https://www.science.org/content/article/it-s-been-so-so-surr...

I can't rediscuss the whole corona pandemic with you.

But I'm stating that this simplification in the earlier comment is not as simple.

Independent of this, it doesn't matter as captain hindsight didn't exist in the beginning of all of this.

If a peer reviewed study comes to the conclusion that a lockdown was a shitty idea it doesn't make it a bad decision.

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