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> Sanctions only affects the people, not the governments, you just help develop an anti-western sentiment across the affected regions as well as hurting the life of innocent families

Bombing also affects people and hurts the life of innocent families.

By your logic bombing is a better option than sanctions, as it also affects governments as well. /s

I never said that

If Russia is bombing civils then we must end the war asap

The fact that we don't and let it linger means other interests prevail

My sourced comment got flagged, that's quite telling

Apologies if I misinterpreted the comment I was replying to. Miscommunicating is easy to do around here.

> If Russia is bombing civils then we must end the war asap

Agreed, it's a tragedy.

Navigating geopolitics is tough, it's playground rules, jungle law.

The fact there is some sort of working "rules based international order" that's kept us out of a major world war for 75 years is impressive.

Innocents inevitably get caught up when spheres of influence overlap and major powers collide.

No clean and easy paths forward at this point.

> Sanctions only affects the people, not the governments,

Western sanctions have demonstrably prevented the Russians from obtaining equipment vital for their military-industrial complex. Right now there were supposed to be hundreds of Armatas and SU-57s, but all the Russians have are a dozen prototypes of each.

They got their drones from Iran, so no, it doesn't work

Worse, they formed a new economic alliance called BRICS

The fact that they have to get their drones from Iran instead of the obvious choice of China says enough on itself.

BRICS isn't new and it basically only exists on paper. We're talking about a supposed alliance whose two largest members, India and China, are currently engaged in a conflict over Kashmir.

Speaking of India, as much as they're happy to continue buying Russian oil, they already anticipated Russia's inability to produce modern fighter jets and cancelled their order.

> The fact that they have to get their drones from Iran instead of the obvious choice of China says enough on itself.

Indeed

Can you please provide a source for your other claims?

First BRICS summit in 2009: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_BRIC_summit

India-China skirmishes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%...

Indian purchase of SU-30 and MiG-29s reportedly cancelled: https://scroll.in/latest/1018714/india-cancelled-orders-for-...

However, looks like there hadn't been a formal cancellation, and the deal was awaiting final approval from the Indian defence ministry: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/no-formal-decision-ye...

I don't see any news about such an approval or a confirmed cancellation, so it's probably on hold at the moment.

> Visiting the Maidan on December 5, she handed out cookies to demonstrators and expressed support for their cause.

Handing out cookies to people demonstrating against a pro-Russian government! Yes, I can totally see how this is morally equivalent to cluster bombing maternity hospitals.

None of that would happen if Russia was willing to stay within their own borders. If Russia did nor invaded countries around them again and again, this war would not happened.

As a european, I think both of your "sources" seems dodgy and very US-libertarian biased (should I say Kremlin biased ?)

I'm not the GP and don't have a horse in this race, but is English Wikipedia widely considered "Kremlin biased?" That seems far fetched.

I would assume that most Wikipedia articles are biased by whatever interests have skin in that game (and deep pockets). For example, I'm sure the sugar industry has their hand correcting "misinformation" on Wikipedia pages related to the benefits of sugar.

Political articles on Wikipedia? I assume they're all biased. Some by groups I agree with, others by groups I don't.

It was not wikipedia.

tl;dr USA is evil because it helped Ukraine defend against Russian meddling.

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