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Attacks like this are not what HN is for. We ban accounts that do it repeatedly, so please don't.

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As someone who spends pretty much all working time with IngelliJ, CLion, and PyTorch... I have no idea what you're talking about.

CLion is insanely fast and its autocomplete and refactoring completely outclasses all Visual Studio products. The embedded CMake is the cherry on top. Remote debugging works even with custom gdb server on custom hardware. What else could I possibly want from my IDE?

Mate, they are phasing out their classic IDE. https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2022/06/addressing-the-new-u...

This post is not about Fleet, it’s about new clean UI for classic IDEs. I tried it in Rider and really liked it, it’s much cleaner. https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2022/05/take-part-in-the-new... AFAIK there are no plans to discontinue the classic IDEs in favor of Fleet

The new ui is a big improvement, they only removed/cleaned the right stuff, things I didn't even realize were getting in my way.

No, they are merely changing how the default settings look like.

Besides, they'll give every subscriber a perpetual license for the current version before that happens. So if I really don't like it, I can just stay on CLion 2022.3. It's not like C++17 will be outdated anytime soon.

> CLion is insanely fast and its autocomplete and refactoring

To be honest, I am not impressed. It's a good product, I bought it because I don't like the plugins fragmentation on VS code and overall it has better support for tooling, but hell, it's for me not comparable to IntelliJ for Java.

But I agree it works quite good.

I think OP may be talking about Fleet, which seems to be an attempt at making their IDE into something taken out of the webapp design rulebook.

If that's the future of IntelliJ IDEA, then I don't want to develop using their tools anymore. Is that what "kids these days" expect from an IDE?

Why would they phase out their other products? The actual code intelligence part is the exact same between them, fleet is just a client shell using that as well.

It is only made so the “lightweight IDE” niche is filled as well.

I haven't tried the new UI (and no one forced me to!)... but I did try Fleet and it's a pleasure to use. It's still in development, so a few things are missing or just don't work... but overall it's a nice and lighter editor that I find extremely useful on my less powerful laptop where IntelliJ makes it hot. I've filled a few tickets and they are really fast responding and addressing it!

So, Jetbrains has been great for me over the last 10 years, both as a paying customer at work, and as a Community Edition user at home.

What exactly are you talking about? I use 3 or 4 of their IDEs regularly, and they don't seem to have changed more than incrementally for years.

https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/tag/new-ui/

> We’d also like to reiterate that we’re doing a gradual, feedback-driven rollout of the new UI. The current UI will remain available for at least two years, and we’re not going to remove it until we’ve seen that the vast majority of our users have successfully made the switch to the new UI. Also, very few of the design decisions you see now in the new UI are final, and we’re open to revisiting them based on your feedback.

> The new UI will remain customizable. It is, and will be, possible to change many aspects of the look and feel, such as icons, colors, font sizes, and spacing between controls through theme plugins. We’ll add options as needed to accommodate user preferences, like the ability to customize the toolbar.

Last I looked at it I wasn't even able to remap all the keys. I've been an IDEA user since around 2002, and I remember it took them many years before it was possible to set it up with Emacs keybindings that wasn't horrible. Will they be more efficient this time?

I'm also a JetBrains user of many years and several of their IDEs. I don't find Fleet (the VS Code clone, I think) really useful myself (and I have never liked VS Code or Atom or any of the other clones or Sublime-likes), but IntelliJ and Rider seem fine.

You realise your comment is on a post about a plugin.. that is not compatible with Fleet and only works with the IntelliJ/PyCharm/Webstorm family of IDEs?

If you don't like the new UI, you don't have to use it. The rest of us are over here being productive and enjoying it

I use JetBrains products seriously and have been quite enjoying the new UI. Would you care to explain why everything is now fucked up according to "everyone"?

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