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> Washington and NATO have shot their wad and have no credible conventional military force to counter Russia accepting the results of the referenda.

This is funny..given the awful performance of the Russian military that we’re witnessing.

I mean, nuclear weapons barred, it’s now clear that NATO militaries led by the US can mop the floor with Russia’s military.

Maybe.

https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/how-the-west-was-won...

Proceeds to cite another propaganda piece…no need, we can clearly see the awful performance of the Russian military spurred by corruption (supplying substandard gear) and disorganization.

>It has watched the west play the mute during the last 8 years while the democratically elected President of Ukraine was forced from office (with the active backing of UK and US officials) and while Ukraine subsequently killed thousands of men, women and children in the Donbas. The west was quite clear–it did not care.

It's not accurate to say the west didn't care. We cared, we're the ones that financed and fomented it.[0][1][2][3] And for what?

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

[1] https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-go...

[2] https://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/02/27/cheering-democ...

[3] https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/event/2014-coup-ukraine

A bunch of conspiratorial nonsense. We didn't ferment it and it wasn't a coup. The Ukranians weren't happy that the president was killing protesters. Why do these things always pretend that Ukrainians don't have agency?

Typical Russian rhetoric which can only attempt to whatabout and equivocate with events of 60+ years ago that aren't even comparable.

(E.g. Hawaii had been a US territory since 1898, whereas Ukraine is formally recognized as a fully sovereign and independent country by the whole world including Russia.)

> Washington and NATO have shot their wad and have no credible conventional military force to counter Russia

Lol.

Are you so sure it's only whataboutism? The US and UK intelligence agencies supported Vladimir Putin's bid for power since they viewed him as the most effective person to crackdown on communism. [0] It's not what-aboutism when your actions brought about the thing you're criticizing. People are right to point out the hypocrisy and question the motives of any state department, including (but especially) their own.

If you want more recent examples, how about Iraq and Afghanistan? Exactly how long did that referendum provisional government last after the US withdrew? Also I'm sorry, was the shelling of the Donbas 60 years ago? I don't follow your insinuation that the US/UK haven't repeated the same mistakes since Vietnam

[0] https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mi6-regrets-helping-vladi...

The bombing of Donbas is going on right now. Russia destroyed Marioupol (part of the Donbas) and has severely damaged many Ukranian cities.

So what? In the real world no one cares about those issues. The US will continue supporting Ukraine as long as they're willing to keep fighting. The more Russian soldiers they kill, the safer that makes the rest of the civilized world.

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