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Why is this downvoted?

I'm not Italian but know some expats and they do indeed have family members that stopped legally working because they didn't want the Covid vaccine.

> Why is this downvoted?

Claiming Italy invented the organized crime, i.e. - cosa nostra. The origins are deeper.

Yeah OK I mentally skipped this point. But still astonished to hear that the Covid vaccine is still a requirement in all jobs in Italy.

Even so, if the post starts with an obvious falsehood - unrelated to the topic at hand, the rest has no merits to me. It's written in bad faith.

I'd say you are approaching the talk in bad faith.

A talk is not a logical proof. A wrong phrase does not imply everything else following is wrong.

Seem silly to dismiss the 2nd phrase because you disagree with the 1st.

But sure, if you wrap it in fancy talk, it almost sounds like you are right.

I'm not sure that anecdotal data about you knowing a couple of antivaxxers explains why roughly four percent of the population are long-term unemployed. I can believe that some of those 2.6m are in that situation because of their position on covid vaccination, but it's a huge leap to assume this very new thing is the main reason especially given that Italy famously has a large number of officially unemployed people (which is trending down from its peak around 2015)

Any stats on how many of those 2½ million people actually didn't want the vaccine?

Any theories on how supposedly inventing mafia makes this unsurprising?

> Any theories on how supposedly inventing mafia makes this unsurprising?

Mafia is a parallel system with parallel jobs, off the books. It would be highly surprising if these 2.5M people didn't have a regular occupation they get paid with, except there's no legal paperwork.

> Any stats on how many of those 2½ million people actually didn't want the vaccine?

I would like to see these. And how many people took the vaccine just to keep their job.

Given up on work? A lot of these people are barred from work. Its just demonisation of the group who refused to kneel and take those mandatory and sloppy injections. Mega corps and governments want to play God.

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