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Even if this turns out not to be the true chain of events, at least this is an attempt to get at the facts rather than venting. I read HN to find comments that try to make a concrete contribution to our knowledge. So, please folks, more.

Comments like that, even though he's just asking legitimate questions, are often downvoted into oblivion very quickly.

Given the amount of lies circulated by Ukraine's and Russian authorities, I'm always wary of accepting anything I read at face value.

Also, Ukraine has an abysmal track record when it comes to investigations (see those into the Maidan sniper killings and the Odessa massacre), so again, I don't see how you can immediately buy into this shit without the least amount of doubt. It seems most people do though and it makes me really sad.

the narrative is walking a thin red line and people pick the view they like, should or actually have.

3-31 NYT posts story about UA fears of saboteurs (pro-Russian Ukrainian civilians). 4-2 UA news publishes story of UA forces going into #Bucha to clear it of "saboteurs & accomplices". Now photos/vids show many of the dead with RU food bags & white RU armbands. UA looking guilty.

https://twitter.com/morphonios/status/1510943831109287940?s=...

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