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Or you can get a heart defect from the shots. Or blood clots.

So there's no categorical "take the shot" or "dont take the shot". It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor. Not some troll on the internet/tv telling you what to do.

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Heart issues occur at a rate of 1 in 49 million. AKA, you’re about 50x more likely to be hit by lightning at 1 in 1 million odds.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm

To turn this probability into dice rolls, roll 10d6, and look to get all 1’s.

It’s still not 0. So it’s an unnecessary risk.

So is walking out of your house. Driving a car. Taking public transportation.

So is living.

If the vaccine causes those symptoms, the actual virus will likely, too. And worse.

You are far more likely to get heart problems that stem from systemic inflammation from an infection like COVID than a vaccination. But you already knew that, you just choose to harp on an opposing viewpoint.

In literally billions of vaccines we have only thousands of side effect deaths.

On the other hand in hundreds of millions of Covid cases we have millions of deaths.

All known cases of post vaccine myocarditis were mild and did not lead to permanent damage.

Also, myocarditis can also be caused byviral infections. We don't know the exact numbers, because it is hard to diagnose myocarditis if the person is already sick with something else at the same time. However, there is the hypothesis that the risk might be the same for people who get a covid infection, or perhaps even higher.

The same thing also applies to blood clots.

> It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor.

Health agencies all around the world all agree over this. The great benefits of vaccination outweigh the minuscle risks.

Yes, but if you catch covid and survive it, you should do the right thing and still get vaccinated against it, because that is more betterer, according to the the completely unbiased media that they happen to be injecting with cash while they otherwise circle the drain.

This is just standard anti-vax bullshit.

Why? Please elaborate why you consider this bullshit. I mean making personal decisions based on personal risk is seldom considered "bullshit". Why is it bullshit in this case? Because the TV says so?

Because if you get needlessly infected, you are almost sure to infect others. You choices impact other people.

Framing it as a personal choice is selfish and disingenuous. It is no more personal choice than dumping toxic waste into a river or firing a gun in random direction in public.

There are people who legitimately can't get vaccinated for medical reasons - but those are rarely the ones using the personal choice argument, are they?

But vaccinated still spread the virus. So it’s just personal risk to not get vaccinated.

It’s bullshit because the risk for heart complications is higher if you get COVID than if you get the shot. This is simple math.

But those simple math calculations don’t factor in the chance of getting corona in the first place. 2 years in the pandemic and I only know 3 people who got corona.

People act as if it was 100% certain one would get corona.

The Delta variant is sufficiently contagious that all of us can expect to be exposed multiple times in our lives. Just like what typically happens with the other endemic coronaviruses.

https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

Only a subset of those infected will experience clinically significant symptoms. Probably more than 3 of your acquaintances have had it but didn't even know it, maybe just felt a little tired for a few days.

So let's assume you know 10000 people. COVID risk of death is 1 in 100. The chance you'll be next and die is 1 per 1M. As mentioned above the chance of blood clots from the vaccines is about 1 per 40M.

Not an argument

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