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You think clients care?

I think if you're starting up today you may find easier to find someone who can build you a site with React than with PHP. Or if not today, then give it a few years.

Likewise I think someone starting up for themselves is more likely to be a React programmer than a PHP programmer.

I think it's hard to fine good PHP developers.

I also think it's damned near impossible to find React developers who are capable of doing anything that isn't React flavored.

For those reasons alone, I'd choose PHP over React, especially if I want to scale.

If the argument is that clients don't care (the comment I was replying to) then why would it matter to them that their develoeprs struggle with things that aren't React-flavored? Especially in 2021, when you can build just about anything on the web and stay within the React ecosystem.

Because real businesses that generate real revenue through software processes usually require more than tinker-toy websites built on a teetering pyramid of dependencies.

Couldn't agree more. The people who are against using PHP are those who never used it and think they are being clever and ahead-of-the-curve by bashing it.

Who said they were against PHP? I'm just said there are probably more React developers around these days than PHP ones, thus it's probably easier to hire from that pool.

Laravel is well-integrated with Vue.js as an option so you might want to look into that.

Oh, I know, I'm just poking at the "I know this thing so everything that we deal with must have a solution derived from this thing" crowd. The SAAS company I work for is about to start migrating away from the monolithic framework we have to a tiered services architecture, and we'll be using laravel because it meets our needs.

The CTO and security teams and devs will care. The language decision has a broad impact on how to secure the application, engineering community (who can you hire), etc. It’s a big decision.

So PHP should be the obvious choice then, considering what a bloated mess and security nightmare Node.js is.

As someone who ran a company for 5+ years on a Node.js stack, never again.

Before when I managed 5k+ servers running PHP, I actually slept at night knowing nothing was suddenly going to go wrong because of some stupid memory consumption bug or exploit in a popular and critical package.

Laravel and modern PHP are as secure as Rails or Django and arguably more secure than plain Node.js. Your point is at least 10 years out of date.

Clients may not care but the founder or development team may.

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