I find the principle of a "health pass" a little disturbing. Do we want to live in a society where we have to prove something about our health in order to attend events ?
Is not the vaccine available for anyone who wants it? The point of the Yellow Fever vaccine is to get it when traveling to a country where it is prevalent and you don't have the immunity of the local population, and not to bring it back to an unprotected population.
Yellow fever vaccine is mandatory when you travel in a country with high risk.
Covid vaccine will be mandatory when you want to go in situations / places with high risk.
So why would you be against covid health pass and not yellow fever health pass ?
If you want to convince, do it with data and logic, not by taking away rights.
But pragmatically in the current circumstances this seems to be the best option (or least bad) until things are sorted.
As Milton said, "Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program."
Officials have already hinted that masks, lockdowns, etc. will be implemented (at least seasonally) forever.
And that kills these kinds of programs, unless there is a very good reason.
If there's an outbreak of a serious contagious disease then measures deemed necessary when that happens will be implemented. It's nothing sinister, just common sense and that has been the case for centuries.
It's a little paranoid to claim that governments are continuously trying to create totalitarian states. Or that, in any case, they can do what they want, they can't. We already see that with all the debates on these passes and safety measures put in place. They are a hard sell to the public and everyone's watching. There is already huge pressure not to have them for a day longer than absolutely necessary and politically governments will have to stop as soon as possible.
What in human history makes you think that?
So no, what I do find disturbing is that some people prefer to spread deadly diseases because they can't be bothered with the collective
If you do not think that driving license counts, from the health angle, people with visual impairments are required to wear glasses (or have corrective surgery) to drive.
If the vaccine works, why in the world do you care who doesn't want to take it?
They sure as fuck aren't. There's three countries in the world where the percentage of fully vaccinated is over 50% (two of which have <1m people, and the third one being Israel that doesn't even pretend to count Palestinians). In France that number is 14%. In my country we haven't even reached 1%.
> If the vaccine works, why in the world do you care who doesn't want to take it?
Because there are millions of people that can't receive one due to the weaker immune system, which is where herd immunity is supposed to kick in.
People with any kind of cold symptoms going out and mingling also clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous. Yet, we lived in a world where people did that routinely and it was left up to parents to protect their children from influenza, something far deadlier than Covid19 for them.
Also, destroying economies, livelihoods, preventing socialization, travel will also clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.
But, I guess, Covid19 means the saint class never owning up to their mistakes.
Beatings will continue until morale improves, I guess.
Who is the "we" deciding what tradeoffs are better?
I mean, humans have lived as groups with rules for thousands of years, I'm not sure what you are getting at.
So perhaps it's not death, but definitely economical stagnation.