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> In 2018 Google open-sourced the Quickdraw data set. “The world's largest doodling data set”. The set consists of 345 categories and over 15 million drawings. For obvious reasons the data set was missing a few specific categories that people enjoy drawing.

> Do Not Draw a Penis functions as an agent to collect inappropriate doodles from people who are not willing to stay within the moral guidelines set by our social network providers.

This is similar to how there are emoji for eyes, hands, feet, hearts, anatomical hearts, lungs, ears, etc.

But not a single emoji about genitals. Not even boobs.

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Well there are eggplants, peaches and melons of course, but outside of emoji, there is also unicode for egyptian hieroglyphs breast (U+13091 U+13092 𓂑 𓂒) and phallus (U+130B9 and U+130BA 𓂹 𓂺)

Gasp! I just learned the phallus heiroglyphs are missing from the fonts on my windows box! Even U+130B8 𓂸 which isn't even a penis, it's just a somewhat phallic finger.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Breast_(hierogly...

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Phallus_(hierogl...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Hieroglyphs_(Unicode_...

I'll just comment for those curious, I do see all of them on my iPhone.

I see them all on Chrome on Android.

I see them on Firefox Android

Yep you are right. What is 𓂹 the deal with the walking stick like thing though?

Apparently that's a folded cloth. I haven't been able to discover why.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Egyptian_hieroglyphs

https://twitter.com/linguopunk/status/1062616416602480642

This thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18348573

Don’t ask questions you don’t want the answer to.

You can get the phallic Egyptian characters to render in windows if you sorround them with other Egyptian characters

> Even U+130B8 𓂸 which isn't even a penis

Hmm, but it does looks like a whole penis and scrotum in my browser (firefox on mac).

Indeed all three are penises, I goofed looking up the character in a table since it wasn't rendering (off by one)

I was able to text those glyphs, it made me laugh way more than it should at my age. Thanks for sharing

Oh no, I predict we'll be seeing a lot more Unicode on HN comments now...

This depends on the evolution of the culture of the site. There is a possibility that no-value distractions will be discouraged.

do you think that your and dong's constant discussion about the discussion is not 10x worse at diluting pertinent content?

"Constant." You may have me confused with someone else.

There should be more discussion about the discussion, as discussion about the discussion shapes the future.

do i now.. you have more comments in this thread about the discussion than the topic. that is offtopic spam. here's an idea. if you have nothing to say on topic, and want to discuss discussion, start a thread about discussions. crazy that people on a thread about intel want to read intel comments.

No, it might not be the cause but it is usually an indication of decline.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'it'. Are you saying that a discussion of the discussion may not cause a decline a community's culture, but could indicate such a decline?

Yes.

My penis is not low value.

If a specific Unicode symbol adds actual clarity or meaning in some context, I would not expect it to be discouraged. I didn't mean my adjectives as a generalization of unicode graphics, but the opposite: a specification of circumstances.

I want you to know I’m not kidding when I say I snorted so loud when I read this that I woke up my 12 week old haha. Worth it.

HN won't let me have a smiley face emoji, but it will let through an Egyptian penis.

The smiley face isn’t racially sensitive enough.

Does anyone know what the “penis playing croquet” hieroglyph is supposed to be?

The 'croquet' is a folded cloth, but might just be there to signify an 's' sound -- in a hieroglyph dictionary [1] it says "lead" or "guide", `seshem`, maybe because the penis on its own can mean bull or donkey, so maybe referring to animals that must be lead, just a guess. Anyway its used at the front of a few names here referring to a leaders of one kind or another.

[1] https://books.google.com/books?id=-VMEputo798C&lpg=PA1210&ot... egyptian&pg=PA699#v=onepage&q=leader&f=false

You telling me you’ve never heard of cockuet?

Fantastic! This is the most informative and relevant comment I’ve read all day. +1 ;)

How would one get some better fonts?

Weaponized text humor.

I am not sure it's worth reading into what there are and aren't emojis of. There is an emoji of the Tokyo Tower, but not one of the Eiffel Tower. It isn't because the Tokyo Tower is more important than the Eiffel Tower, it's because the set is based on a random collection of pictures that Japanese cell phone carriers created over the years. (e = picture, moji = letter, that's where the word came from. A "false friend" with emoticon, interestingly.)

When creating this collection, they missed a lot of stuff. It was never intended to be a complete set of all symbols that a human might need. Some guy at some phone company just made them. The attempts to add a handful of new characters with each new Unicode version don't improve much.

People seem to be using the eggplant emoji as a standin for a penis. It gets the message across, apparently.

> (e = picture, moji = letter, that's where the word came from. A "false friend" with emoticon, interestingly.)

I'll observe tangentially that the Chinese term is 表情, "emotion indicator".

There is an emoji for love hotels.

haha,

https://www.dictionary.com/e/emoji/love-hotel/

> The love hotel or heart hospital emoji depicts a building with both a pink heart and on some platforms the letter H emblazoned on the front. It is mostly used in reference to hospitals and health as well as to vacation resorts.

https://emojipedia.org/love-hotel/

> A love hotel is a hotel that can be hired by the hour instead of as accommodation for the evening. Sometimes mistaken for a get well soon emoji due to the similarity in appearance to the hospital.

looks like I can't display it here

There is also a map of Japan emoji, but no other country has one

Maps could always be implemented as a combining country code, as flags are.

I’m still sad Shibuya 109 was removed from Unicode, that place is iconic.

It is iconic but a little unfair to the rest of the world to exclude their iconic places from Unicode. If Tokyu (it's a pun; 109 => 10 = too, 9 = kyuu) gets an emoji, why not McDonalds, Burger King, Bank of America, Google, etc.

It would be nice if we could scale Unicode and let everyone have their own emoji, but we can't scale it. Think about the volumes of text that have been written over whether the gun emoji should be a handgun or a squirt gun. Now repeat that for every notable place and company in the world... and it's just not something humanity can achieve.

What we need is extensible unicode. Some way of marking up documents to say "here is the URL that defines these characters", and then people could install the "New York City emoji pack" and be able to use the Empire State Building or Grand Central Terminal in addition to Shibuya 109 or Tokyo Tower. I guess HTML is that markup language, and it turns out that you can put whatever images in the text you want. It was probably a mistake to standardize Softbank's picture SMS crap, but here we are.

Yes, if we try to scale Unicode to everyone in the world we do end up a little like Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

I'd say the closest thing we have to a logo for everyone is in the Private Use Area plane, https://fontawesome.io

That reasoning would be valid if Unicode wasn’t adding new emoji from scratch every years. They do yet they don’t add few anatomical parts that are every important concern in most human lives.

> It isn't because the Tokyo Tower is more important than the Eiffel Tower

That's debatable.

It is not, in fact, debatable, that this is not the reason why one is an emoji and the other is not.

I was stung when the exhibit in the Tokyo Tower of other famous towers of the world didn’t have the Space Needle, but had other, shorter buildings for scale.

What about https://www.revk.uk/2018/10/unicode-dicks.html?m=1

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There's also no emoji showing a reaction of compassion/sympathy.

Isn't that just covered by any of the various sad emojis when someone tells you something like that? Compassion/sympathy can be viewed as a contextualized version of sadness.

    Person 1: I just lost my job.
    Person 2: :(

I have a friend who uses the sad emoji when I say I’m not feeling good. It kind of makes me feel like I’m making her feel sad by telling her. It would be nice if there was emoji of two people embracing or something.

I've talked some friends into using <3 instead of :( to express sympathy, for exactly this reason.

You probably are making her feel sad when you tell her. That's how sympathy and empathy work, it's feeling sorrow or pity for someone's misfortune (sympathy), or feeling a pain similar to theirs (empathy). The whole point of telling your friends and loved ones is so you feel slightly better at their slight expense. Do it with enough friends, and you might feel significantly better, but individually they are all only slightly worse. That's part of the implicit job description of being a friend, being there to help in that way.

If I knew a friend purposefully didn't share that with me for my sake, I would be a little offended if I viewed them as a good friend, as obviously they didn't view me as a good enough friend to let me help in that way.

I wouldn't let that hug fool you either. In real life if you tell someone your problem and it makes them want to hug you, that hug is probably preceded by a frown in reality as well.

There is "Hugging Face", but it looks just weird (IMHO) and I don't know many people using it.

https://emojipedia.org/hugging-face/

That looks more like it's communicating heartfelt happiness or something. I've never understood it as a hugging face ...

seems such an emoji is actually part of the newest standard as I just saw someone mention on Twitter: https://emojipedia.org/people-hugging/

If it's your friend, doesn't it make sense that she would feel sad when your are not feeling well? Empathy is being able to feel someone else pain.

Understanding someone else's pain makes sense, feeling it doesn't.

The last thing you need when not feeling well is causing more suffering.

It's inevitable, there is no need to feel guilty about it.

It's kind of an extreme form of vegetarianism if somebody doesn't show suffering because he fears that others would suffer from compassion. A friend in need is a friend indeed. Whoever suffers with you doesn't mind the suffering.

The definition of empathy is feeling another's pain

What else is compassion? If somebody just acknowledges your emotions are they really close and a friend?

Yea it’s kind of weird there’s no hug emoji.

https://codepoints.net/U+1F917

Looks more like jazz hands to me but to each their own

I thought it's awkward "don't come any closer"

Ahh I thought that was like a “throw up your hands in joy” emoji

Of course, people make do anyways.

Indeed they do. People always did. No "no dating colleauges" rule will prevent colleagues from developing crushes and dating each other.

> No "no dating colleauges" rule will prevent colleagues from developing crushes and dating each other.

Or prevent employees from being harassed who just want to work w/o getting hit on for the bazillionth time.

A workplace where people only want to work instead of being comfortable enough to make new connections (of any kind) is a bad workplace. You should be able to make new friends, increase your network, and have a good time collaborating. I feel sorry for anyone who is in such an environment, especially when they are being approached constantly in bad ways on top of it (let alone harassed). So many things have gone wrong then. The workplace is still a workplace, not a dating machine, so people need to adjust their behaviors to the environment. Most people can manage to do this.

> The workplace is still a workplace, not a dating machine, so people need to adjust their behaviors to the environment. Most people can manage to do this.

Presently, women can expect mistreatment in their workspace. This has an unbroken reality for generations.

While women are living with that reality, this very minute, it's not clear that workplace friendships are in any meaningful danger.

Those rules are mainly to provide grounds for firing people that let their romantic relationships cause problems at work.

Truly. Your described scenario is how I met my partner of nearly six years.

The founders of 3 of the top 4 US companies (by market cap), married or had a long-term dating relationship with a subordinate employee.

The 4th married a student he met while giving a guest lecture and then asked on a date in the parking lot afterward.

The 5th and 6th were dating their spouses before founding their companies.

The 7th and 8th were over 100 years ago so the history is too hard for me to track.

I'm not sure what you're implying, but it doesn't seem positive. Forgive me if I'm mis-interpreting things.

We were in separate departments and hierarchy was not an issue. We've been together so long for love, nothing else...

The way I read it is that the rule doesn't always reflect 100% of reality.

I think I can see your interpretation, but others seem to have read it the way I did and decided not to believe me, so I'm not sure where it falls. Just tried to insert a happy comment into the chain. Oh well :/

So, you are #1,2 or 3?

>This is similar to how there are emoji for eyes, hands, feet, hearts, anatomical hearts, lungs, ears, etc. But not a single emoji about genitals. Not even boobs.

So, basically protestant puritanism?

In this era of global communication, I think the Protestant mores may be less important, relatively, than they once were.

Edit: US based companies appear to me to at least as concerned with new markets than existing markers. In some cases, China and the middle east are the regions which motivate 'puritanical' discretion, not the US.

Maybe not protestant directly these days, but American puritanism is very much still very much alive and influencing technology. I doubt Facebook bans people for posting even slight nudity even in private groups just because of other countries.

Maybe on the Internet, but Protestant values still rule America.

Yeah, but they who make the software/social platforms also makes the decisions, and those are usually US companies. So even here in Europe we're imposed with US-based morals ("Oh, some nudity in a post photo! Bad! Censored, what would the advertisers say"), whereas in our own culture, left to its own devices, we could not care less about such things...

Isn't this the era of the scale down of globalism though? (Trump, Brexit, US-China trade war, etc)

I've got a card game website like jackbox where you can draw your avatar. The amount of penises people draw is surprisingly pretty low. We've got a gallery page showing all of the avatars drawn to date here:

http://those.codes/gallery

I don’t know, across a few pages I saw 4. So around 5% penises which seems like a lot considering how many other shapes people can draw.

Haha true. Although I would have expected there would be some trolls who just flood the gallery.

> This is similar to how there are emoji for eyes, hands, feet, hearts, anatomical hearts, lungs, ears, etc.

Yes, because none of the things on that list have ever been sexualized before.

Nope, none of them.

Feet...

Eggplant gang rise up!

There's no emoji but the unicode codepoint U+130B8 exists.

This must be one of the few unicode codepoints whose search results include urbandictionary.com

𓂸

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