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I trained a neural network model to generate dick doodles based on the dataset they released.

https://dickrnn.github.io/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23187529

Wait, I remember seeing this a while back! Great stuff.

My wife is trying to work on the kitchen table, just buzzed her with this, annoyance ensued.

For me, this only works when I start drawing balls. When I start with the tip or the shaft, all I get is wild doodling.

Agreed. My shaft grew a fresh penis, so it looked more like a sword fight.

If this was Reddit I would submit this quote to /r/nocontext

If this was Reddit I'd give the previous comment gold

I switched windows from Reddit to this, and I had to double-check if Reddit switched styles when I wasn't looking!

I played with a project called Infindraw[0] a few years back. It used quickdraw data to draw continuously I just tried this dicks data set in it. https://imgur.com/a/nr5QlEd :)

[0] https://github.com/kynd/infinite_quickdraw

I painted a home (imagine a 5yo painting a home)(a square, and a triangle for the roof)(with door, windows, chimney smoke), and right next to it I drew a penis.. it didn't mind at all to have a "house sized" penis next to the house.

I drew an elephant. Somehow it recognized that it was an elephant. Then it started erasing the elephant while blathering on about something free speech.

I honestly don't understand what this is. Is it a trick to see if I actually will draw a penis (reverse psychology)? How does it recognize an elephant? Why did it erase my elephant? What is it blathering on about?

I think it just limits the amount of lines so the first ones get erased if you draw too many.

Yeah I'm fairly certain that this is the case.

Maybe its trunk was too phallic.

Probably this. It does recognize penises and erases them, but labels them as "broom", "paintbrush", and likely "elephant". I guess the Google dataset made it a puritan at soul.

> I guess the Google dataset made it a puritan at soul.

It has, indeed. Oftentimes, these systems get trained with people with very fundamental religious beliefs in the Philippines [1].

[1]: https://www.wired.com/2014/10/content-moderation/

[2]: https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-09-29/the-cleaners-... (full story)

Somewhere in this thread someone said to press D to see the categories it assigns to your drawing. I did, and then drew a penis. It did recognize it as such with a fairly high level of confidence so there is definitely a dedicated category for penises.

"Popsicle?"

Hotdog / not hotdog

This is at least the third repetition of the same mindless cultural reference in this thread. What is happening to this site?

Good to know I wasn't the only one who drew an elephant.

I also drew an elephant. It said it was a funny horse. Sad drawing skills.

In the website's own words: https://donotdrawapenis.com/colophon

"Do not draw a penis?

In 2018 Google open-sourced the Quickdraw data set. “The world's largest doodling data set”. The set consists of 345 categories and over 15 million drawings. For obvious reasons the data set was missing a few specific categories that people enjoy drawing. This made us at Moniker think about the moral reality big tech companies are imposing on our global community and that most people willingly accept this. Therefore we decided to publish an appendix to the Google Quickdraw data set.

Do Not Draw a Penis functions as an agent to collect inappropriate doodles from people who are not willing to stay within the moral guidelines set by our social network providers.

So far we have collected 10K doodles formatted the same way as Google's dataset. We are happy to announce you can download them here."

> inappropriate doodles

Phrasing!

Seems like a play on the fact that, when given an opportunity, many people few an irresistible urge to draw obscenities. Especially penises.

As far as I can tell it's supposed to be an evil AI that is educating/brainwashing you. If you keep drawing penises you can piss it off. So yes, the site is expecting you to draw some.

I drew about a half dozen dicks with my mouse and it didn't recognize any of them :/

Government officials currently in office are probably excluded from the dataset.

It also doesn't like breasts.

It always repeats the same text and erase what you're doing whatever it is.

I also drew an elephant but for some reason it said it was a hat? Ah, might've placed it in the boa

Kinski's Third Law: Any sufficiently robotic voice is indistinguishable from a Werner Herzog impression.

Did he actually say that?

If you can’t tell the difference, does it matter?

I'm not asking because I can't tell the difference. I'm asking because it doesn't sound like something Kinski would say in those words.

That reminds me of a few years ago when a robot was the governor of California. I always wondered, If you heard a robot speaking German, how would you know it was a robot? Hmm?

> "I always wondered, If you heard a robot speaking German, how would you know it was a robot? Hmm?"

Did you know that in German speaking countries we never hear Arnolds original voice? He is dubbed by a German actor in all of his movies. So it remains a mystery...

For all the Austrians in the thread: Yes, I know he is Austrian an technically his accent is Austrian.

For me this practice led a strange moment where a Girl in the krimi Wolf (or Wulf? Or could be Kommissar Rex but I think it was the daughter of Wolf himself), listened to an audio tape of a robbery and the voice never matched any of the suspects... Then she recognized some actor (Danny de Vito perhaps, it was 20 years ago at least?) and I was like wut? Danny deVito does not speak German, let alone like that. But then I learned you indeed have one actor doing the life time of an English speak actor :)

> In 2018 Google open-sourced the Quickdraw data set. “The world's largest doodling data set”. The set consists of 345 categories and over 15 million drawings. For obvious reasons the data set was missing a few specific categories that people enjoy drawing.

> Do Not Draw a Penis functions as an agent to collect inappropriate doodles from people who are not willing to stay within the moral guidelines set by our social network providers.

This is similar to how there are emoji for eyes, hands, feet, hearts, anatomical hearts, lungs, ears, etc.

But not a single emoji about genitals. Not even boobs.

Of course, people make do anyways.

Indeed they do. People always did. No "no dating colleauges" rule will prevent colleagues from developing crushes and dating each other.

Truly. Your described scenario is how I met my partner of nearly six years.

The founders of 3 of the top 4 US companies (by market cap), married or had a long-term dating relationship with a subordinate employee.

The 4th married a student he met while giving a guest lecture and then asked on a date in the parking lot afterward.

The 5th and 6th were dating their spouses before founding their companies.

The 7th and 8th were over 100 years ago so the history is too hard for me to track.

I'm not sure what you're implying, but it doesn't seem positive. Forgive me if I'm mis-interpreting things.

We were in separate departments and hierarchy was not an issue. We've been together so long for love, nothing else...

The way I read it is that the rule doesn't always reflect 100% of reality.

I think I can see your interpretation, but others seem to have read it the way I did and decided not to believe me, so I'm not sure where it falls. Just tried to insert a happy comment into the chain. Oh well :/

So, you are #1,2 or 3?

> No "no dating colleauges" rule will prevent colleagues from developing crushes and dating each other.

Or prevent employees from being harassed who just want to work w/o getting hit on for the bazillionth time.

A workplace where people only want to work instead of being comfortable enough to make new connections (of any kind) is a bad workplace. You should be able to make new friends, increase your network, and have a good time collaborating. I feel sorry for anyone who is in such an environment, especially when they are being approached constantly in bad ways on top of it (let alone harassed). So many things have gone wrong then. The workplace is still a workplace, not a dating machine, so people need to adjust their behaviors to the environment. Most people can manage to do this.

> The workplace is still a workplace, not a dating machine, so people need to adjust their behaviors to the environment. Most people can manage to do this.

Presently, women can expect mistreatment in their workspace. This has an unbroken reality for generations.

While women are living with that reality, this very minute, it's not clear that workplace friendships are in any meaningful danger.

Those rules are mainly to provide grounds for firing people that let their romantic relationships cause problems at work.

> This is similar to how there are emoji for eyes, hands, feet, hearts, anatomical hearts, lungs, ears, etc.

Yes, because none of the things on that list have ever been sexualized before.

Nope, none of them.

Eggplant gang rise up!

Feet...

What about https://www.revk.uk/2018/10/unicode-dicks.html?m=1

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There's no emoji but the unicode codepoint U+130B8 exists.

This must be one of the few unicode codepoints whose search results include urbandictionary.com

I am not sure it's worth reading into what there are and aren't emojis of. There is an emoji of the Tokyo Tower, but not one of the Eiffel Tower. It isn't because the Tokyo Tower is more important than the Eiffel Tower, it's because the set is based on a random collection of pictures that Japanese cell phone carriers created over the years. (e = picture, moji = letter, that's where the word came from. A "false friend" with emoticon, interestingly.)

When creating this collection, they missed a lot of stuff. It was never intended to be a complete set of all symbols that a human might need. Some guy at some phone company just made them. The attempts to add a handful of new characters with each new Unicode version don't improve much.

People seem to be using the eggplant emoji as a standin for a penis. It gets the message across, apparently.

There is an emoji for love hotels.

haha,

https://www.dictionary.com/e/emoji/love-hotel/

> The love hotel or heart hospital emoji depicts a building with both a pink heart and on some platforms the letter H emblazoned on the front. It is mostly used in reference to hospitals and health as well as to vacation resorts.

https://emojipedia.org/love-hotel/

> A love hotel is a hotel that can be hired by the hour instead of as accommodation for the evening. Sometimes mistaken for a get well soon emoji due to the similarity in appearance to the hospital.

looks like I can't display it here

> It isn't because the Tokyo Tower is more important than the Eiffel Tower

That's debatable.

It is not, in fact, debatable, that this is not the reason why one is an emoji and the other is not.

I was stung when the exhibit in the Tokyo Tower of other famous towers of the world didn’t have the Space Needle, but had other, shorter buildings for scale.

> (e = picture, moji = letter, that's where the word came from. A "false friend" with emoticon, interestingly.)

I'll observe tangentially that the Chinese term is 表情, "emotion indicator".

There is also a map of Japan emoji, but no other country has one

Maps could always be implemented as a combining country code, as flags are.

I’m still sad Shibuya 109 was removed from Unicode, that place is iconic.

It is iconic but a little unfair to the rest of the world to exclude their iconic places from Unicode. If Tokyu (it's a pun; 109 => 10 = too, 9 = kyuu) gets an emoji, why not McDonalds, Burger King, Bank of America, Google, etc.

It would be nice if we could scale Unicode and let everyone have their own emoji, but we can't scale it. Think about the volumes of text that have been written over whether the gun emoji should be a handgun or a squirt gun. Now repeat that for every notable place and company in the world... and it's just not something humanity can achieve.

What we need is extensible unicode. Some way of marking up documents to say "here is the URL that defines these characters", and then people could install the "New York City emoji pack" and be able to use the Empire State Building or Grand Central Terminal in addition to Shibuya 109 or Tokyo Tower. I guess HTML is that markup language, and it turns out that you can put whatever images in the text you want. It was probably a mistake to standardize Softbank's picture SMS crap, but here we are.

Yes, if we try to scale Unicode to everyone in the world we do end up a little like Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

I'd say the closest thing we have to a logo for everyone is in the Private Use Area plane, https://fontawesome.io

That reasoning would be valid if Unicode wasn’t adding new emoji from scratch every years. They do yet they don’t add few anatomical parts that are every important concern in most human lives.

There's also no emoji showing a reaction of compassion/sympathy.

Isn't that just covered by any of the various sad emojis when someone tells you something like that? Compassion/sympathy can be viewed as a contextualized version of sadness.

    Person 1: I just lost my job.
    Person 2: :(

I have a friend who uses the sad emoji when I say I’m not feeling good. It kind of makes me feel like I’m making her feel sad by telling her. It would be nice if there was emoji of two people embracing or something.

There is "Hugging Face", but it looks just weird (IMHO) and I don't know many people using it.

https://emojipedia.org/hugging-face/

That looks more like it's communicating heartfelt happiness or something. I've never understood it as a hugging face ...

I've talked some friends into using <3 instead of :( to express sympathy, for exactly this reason.

If it's your friend, doesn't it make sense that she would feel sad when your are not feeling well? Empathy is being able to feel someone else pain.

Understanding someone else's pain makes sense, feeling it doesn't.

The last thing you need when not feeling well is causing more suffering.

It's inevitable, there is no need to feel guilty about it.

It's kind of an extreme form of vegetarianism if somebody doesn't show suffering because he fears that others would suffer from compassion. A friend in need is a friend indeed. Whoever suffers with you doesn't mind the suffering.

The definition of empathy is feeling another's pain

What else is compassion? If somebody just acknowledges your emotions are they really close and a friend?

You probably are making her feel sad when you tell her. That's how sympathy and empathy work, it's feeling sorrow or pity for someone's misfortune (sympathy), or feeling a pain similar to theirs (empathy). The whole point of telling your friends and loved ones is so you feel slightly better at their slight expense. Do it with enough friends, and you might feel significantly better, but individually they are all only slightly worse. That's part of the implicit job description of being a friend, being there to help in that way.

If I knew a friend purposefully didn't share that with me for my sake, I would be a little offended if I viewed them as a good friend, as obviously they didn't view me as a good enough friend to let me help in that way.

I wouldn't let that hug fool you either. In real life if you tell someone your problem and it makes them want to hug you, that hug is probably preceded by a frown in reality as well.

seems such an emoji is actually part of the newest standard as I just saw someone mention on Twitter: https://emojipedia.org/people-hugging/

Yea it’s kind of weird there’s no hug emoji.

https://codepoints.net/U+1F917

Looks more like jazz hands to me but to each their own

Ahh I thought that was like a “throw up your hands in joy” emoji

I thought it's awkward "don't come any closer"

Well there are eggplants, peaches and melons of course, but outside of emoji, there is also unicode for egyptian hieroglyphs breast (U+13091 U+13092 𓂑 𓂒) and phallus (U+130B9 and U+130BA 𓂹 𓂺)

Gasp! I just learned the phallus heiroglyphs are missing from the fonts on my windows box! Even U+130B8 𓂸 which isn't even a penis, it's just a somewhat phallic finger.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Breast_(hierogly...

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Phallus_(hierogl...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Hieroglyphs_(Unicode_...

I'll just comment for those curious, I do see all of them on my iPhone.

I see them all on Chrome on Android.

I see them on Firefox Android

Yep you are right. What is 𓂹 the deal with the walking stick like thing though?

Don’t ask questions you don’t want the answer to.

Apparently that's a folded cloth. I haven't been able to discover why.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Egyptian_hieroglyphs

https://twitter.com/linguopunk/status/1062616416602480642

This thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18348573

Weaponized text humor.

I was able to text those glyphs, it made me laugh way more than it should at my age. Thanks for sharing

You can get the phallic Egyptian characters to render in windows if you sorround them with other Egyptian characters

Oh no, I predict we'll be seeing a lot more Unicode on HN comments now...

This depends on the evolution of the culture of the site. There is a possibility that no-value distractions will be discouraged.

My penis is not low value.

If a specific Unicode symbol adds actual clarity or meaning in some context, I would not expect it to be discouraged. I didn't mean my adjectives as a generalization of unicode graphics, but the opposite: a specification of circumstances.

I want you to know I’m not kidding when I say I snorted so loud when I read this that I woke up my 12 week old haha. Worth it.

do you think that your and dong's constant discussion about the discussion is not 10x worse at diluting pertinent content?

"Constant." You may have me confused with someone else.

There should be more discussion about the discussion, as discussion about the discussion shapes the future.

No, it might not be the cause but it is usually an indication of decline.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'it'. Are you saying that a discussion of the discussion may not cause a decline a community's culture, but could indicate such a decline?

Yes.

do i now.. you have more comments in this thread about the discussion than the topic. that is offtopic spam. here's an idea. if you have nothing to say on topic, and want to discuss discussion, start a thread about discussions. crazy that people on a thread about intel want to read intel comments.

Fantastic! This is the most informative and relevant comment I’ve read all day. +1 ;)

How would one get some better fonts?

HN won't let me have a smiley face emoji, but it will let through an Egyptian penis.

The smiley face isn’t racially sensitive enough.

Does anyone know what the “penis playing croquet” hieroglyph is supposed to be?

You telling me you’ve never heard of cockuet?

The 'croquet' is a folded cloth, but might just be there to signify an 's' sound -- in a hieroglyph dictionary [1] it says "lead" or "guide", `seshem`, maybe because the penis on its own can mean bull or donkey, so maybe referring to animals that must be lead, just a guess. Anyway its used at the front of a few names here referring to a leaders of one kind or another.

[1] https://books.google.com/books?id=-VMEputo798C&lpg=PA1210&ot... egyptian&pg=PA699#v=onepage&q=leader&f=false

> Even U+130B8 𓂸 which isn't even a penis

Hmm, but it does looks like a whole penis and scrotum in my browser (firefox on mac).

Indeed all three are penises, I goofed looking up the character in a table since it wasn't rendering (off by one)

I've got a card game website like jackbox where you can draw your avatar. The amount of penises people draw is surprisingly pretty low. We've got a gallery page showing all of the avatars drawn to date here:

http://those.codes/gallery

I don’t know, across a few pages I saw 4. So around 5% penises which seems like a lot considering how many other shapes people can draw.

Haha true. Although I would have expected there would be some trolls who just flood the gallery.

>This is similar to how there are emoji for eyes, hands, feet, hearts, anatomical hearts, lungs, ears, etc. But not a single emoji about genitals. Not even boobs.

So, basically protestant puritanism?

In this era of global communication, I think the Protestant mores may be less important, relatively, than they once were.

Edit: US based companies appear to me to at least as concerned with new markets than existing markers. In some cases, China and the middle east are the regions which motivate 'puritanical' discretion, not the US.

Maybe on the Internet, but Protestant values still rule America.

Yeah, but they who make the software/social platforms also makes the decisions, and those are usually US companies. So even here in Europe we're imposed with US-based morals ("Oh, some nudity in a post photo! Bad! Censored, what would the advertisers say"), whereas in our own culture, left to its own devices, we could not care less about such things...

Isn't this the era of the scale down of globalism though? (Trump, Brexit, US-China trade war, etc)

Maybe not protestant directly these days, but American puritanism is very much still very much alive and influencing technology. I doubt Facebook bans people for posting even slight nudity even in private groups just because of other countries.

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Of course I started by drawing a penis, and the voice told me off and erased it. Then I started drawing a rabbit, and to my surprise the voice recognized the rabbit with me just completing the ears, and commented "nice rabbit". I had to add a penis to the rabbit and was a bit disappointed the system didn't recognise that little addition.

>I had to

Where on the rabbit?

too graphic!

Perhaps it wasn't recognized because it was in the wrong place

felt the urge :-)

I thought it was part of the game.

It works if you add a vein: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qkdmu71hm8j6z5n/Screenshot%202020-...

Friendly reminder that full screen captures list all your open tabs. Not particular interesting in this case but can get a bit spicy: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fox-news-analyst-brit-hume...

Cure: have so many tabs open, you can't read the titles. I tweeted out https://twitter.com/chx/status/1260964177197203456 this morning with no fear :D

Wait until one of the favicons gives away more than you'd like.

The PH icon is very recognizable...

I drew Spongebob with a bow tie and the voice told me, "nice owl."

I'm not sure if I was more disappointed at my drawing being so bad that the AI couldn't figure it out, or that it missed a blatant opportunity to say, "nice hooters you go there."

I was hoping for a "nice owl" comment by drawing a circle

I kept trying to draw a mushroom. But it thinks it's either a stop sign or a Popsicle every time...

I drew a person and it just said a bunch of stuff about freedom of expression and started erasing it. Then I started just drawing loops and it said I was drawing a hurricane.

I drew loops and it congratulated me on my boring picture of a paperclip.

i drew one and it said "be more persuasive." i guess it wants more.

Congrats on your new career in furry porn. Please link to your patreon.

Experienced the same thing, but drew a chicken-penis that I always drew when I was a kid. Alas, it has fooled both this AI and grownups from before.

Does this mean my drawing is already logged and studied?

What’s a chicken penis?

McNugget I think.

No, those are made from skin, entrails and bits powerwashed off chicken bones.

Edit: come to think of it, there’s probably chicken penis in it, too

McNuggets are made from 100% breast meat (with the skin on to help them bind together). Please stick to facts, even in a thread about drawing penises.

That’s true in that they only use white meat from the chicken (which is a super set of breast meat). They also add a ton of synthetic fats and a just a dab (hopefully) of a highly toxic petroleum product that’s mostly banned outside the US:

https://www.livestrong.com/article/1006054-whats-really-insi...

While I don't want to say that McNuggets /aren't/ going to kill you, there are a few scientific inaccuracies in your link.

It raises concerns about MSG consumption; however, from https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/questions-... :

> FDA considers the addition of MSG to foods to be “generally recognized as safe” (GRAS). Although many people identify themselves as sensitive to MSG, in studies with such individuals given MSG or a placebo, scientists have not been able to consistently trigger reactions.

Additionally, there's a heading, "Those McNuggets Contain Sodium Aluminum Phosphate Too", followed by "Key word here is "aluminum." You know, the silvery metallic element you use to line your oven rack before baking or roasting?"

This is about as relevant as pointing out that table salt is made from a metal that catches fire when added to water, plus a WWI poison gas.

It detects a mcnugget style penis easily...

I'm ashamed of this but here: https://imgur.com/BjBdpSz

Basically Combusken: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Combusken_(Pok%C3%A9...

It just appreciates your dedication to Pokemon fanart.

Combusken evolved from Torchic...

The names they come up with are precious.

This is wholesome

So this is who I talk to on this site...

Bak bak... B'cock!

i see pure, deep inspiration. nothing to be ashamed of at all!

Chicken penis??

‘Fokke en Sukke‘ probably

For your viewing pleasure: https://imgur.com/BjBdpSz

I got the same rabbit comment at the beginning when I drew a generic smiley face.

I drew a naked woman and it told me "quite inaccurate"

Took a similar approach. Got yelled at when I drew one too. But funny enough a stick figure holding a penis resulted in "free expression is paramount".

Was this supposed to work?

I drew multiple penises and it didn't erase, praised them.

- https://ibb.co/pft7WZP

- https://postimg.cc/DJs4QVCp

Broken! How would I live without a neural network stopping me from being immoral?

way too bendy, not a hotdog

You should speak with your doctor.

Yup too Damn easy https://postimg.cc/K3DNK8H8

> the voice told me off and erased it.

You mean it said, "wow that's kinda small?"

https://i.imgur.com/IGP3uCp.png

Turns out you can just draw a rectangle with a wonderful penis inside. The AI will see a door or even "Mona Lisa". Made me chuckle a bit.

I drew the outline of Mickey Mouse's head, and it misidentified that as "male reproduction organ". I don't know if that's meant to be social commentary.

Meanwhile, _this_ got let through, and I promise I started with the dong (which it called a paintbrush). https://imgur.com/a/u4ARqRD (nsfw)

I had a similar experience - enough space between the balls and the AI gets it wrong.

In a post-singularity world, this sentence would be frightening.

In my experience here, things look about the same but might be called a giraffe. Maybe having a giraffe isn't so bad.

I laughed out but feeling guilty now. Homosexuality and rapes in prisons aren't uncommon.

Quote from the program: "This smiley face lies safely within the boundaries of freedom of speech."

Thank you for the daily reminder of the dystopia we presently live in, AI researchers and developers. I for one, welcome our AI overlords.

Hold down the 'd' key while drawing to see what object is being identified in your drawing.

I tried to see what objects would be recognized incorrectly as a penis. Among what I tried: pencil (no), banana (yes), bacteriophage (no), ebola (no), uterus (no), sperm (no), pinnochio (yes), skyscraper (no), saguaro (no), racecar (no), flying saucer (no), rocketship (no), NCC-1701 (no), TIE fighter (no), Serenity (no), Amazon logo (no).

I was very surprised at pinnochio. It had two eyes and a nose and a big smile. Yet the AI saw something completely different.

I'm sorry, I drew about 50 faces with phallic noses. It probably learned from me.

Drawing "negative three" is immediately recognized as a penis, with an even higher probability if I assign that to "c".

The dataset reminds me a mural from the Middle Ages depicting a tree covered with phalluses, found at the communal fountain in the Tuscan town of Massa Marittima (Italy).

https://maremma-tuscany.com/massa-marittima/albero-della-fec...

https://www.threemonkeysonline.com/from-fertility-symbol-to-...

I find it interesting that no scholars seem to entertain the idea that maybe Medieval graffiti artisans enjoyed painting dicks on things just like we do in the modern day.

Like, the way the phalluses (phalli? Huh, apparently "phalli" is the one Firefox's spellcheck recognizes) look like they're thinly painted on top of what look like normal fruit, with a different paint that appears to have faded faster than the original, strongly suggests the fresco was not originally painted with such phallic abundance. Seems like some prankster took some paint and "improved" it, possibly with his medieval buddies for a laugh.

Another tell-tale sign of this being ancient vandalism is the missing spots (both in the boughs and among the women on the ground), as if a caretaker desperately tried to scrub off the penises until, realizing such efforts were scrubbing away the original, gave up in frustration.

I did extensive research on this AI and found the perfect way of concealing a penis within a frame. Check it out here https://twitter.com/stas_kulesh/status/1261070742143336449?s...

I think it has a harder time if more than one object is present in the image no matter what you draw.

Even if the other stuff you draw is just a random line segment a bit close to the actual picture.

funnily, you can draw two penises and that confuses it.

Kind of amusing, but if you draw an anatomically correct penis, like how it would look on a sculpture, it doesn't detect it. It only seems to detect the caricature or pornographic varieties.

> if you draw an anatomically correct penis, like how it would look on a sculpture, it doesn't detect it.

How is it look like? I tried drawing ╰⋃╯ and it seem to detect it.

I spent the evening drawing dozens upon dozens of cocks, and the machine didn't object to any of them. I don't know what this says about my artistic skills.

Yeah, it thought mine was scissors :(

Perhaps your training set was flawed.

It was too small.

"I tried drawing ╰⋃╯ and it seem to detect it."

Kilroy was here.

Funny thing to notice: most men draw it the other way around, most women draw it the way you're drawing it. Different points of view eh

You might be interested in the older forms of the Chinese character 心, said to depict a heart.

https://hanziyuan.net/#%E5%BF%83

Whoa that website is quite a rabbit hole! That must be a lot of work compiling all those info.

https://imgur.com/gallery/wisVCsc

I'm ashamed to admit I've spent an hour on this site...

1st prize goes to...

I was wondering if they recorded the doodles, after drawing so many the lady started yelling at me and drawing one after another. Turns out they do!

"Do Not Draw a Penis functions as an agent to collect inappropriate doodles from people who are not willing to stay within the moral guidelines set by our social network providers.

So far we have collected 10K doodles formatted the same way as Google's dataset. We are happy to announce you can download them ↘ here."

https://donotdrawapenis.com/colophon

> Tip: Try placing your penis in a frame.

Ouch.

Hint: if you draw 3, the bot takes over and begins drawing for you...while saying NSFW statements.

You’ve been warned. (Use headphones)

Not for me. I tried it several times and it gave me varying responses from an umbrella to an ear.

You should collaborate with https://skribbl.io/ -- they probably have the largest scribbling dataset in the world, and have it labelled correctly + "how many % people do actually recognize this THING as what it is meant to be, as drawn by another being?" It's hard to think of any better dataset.

Believe it or not there might be a market for this! :)

Here's a good start for your customer base.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/j5zywd/meet-dick-run-clai...

Digital vandalism :p

I was thinking of the same. Providing it as a service for digital boards given so many schools are operating online now. There would be many people drawing dicks.

if anyone wants to do this - email is in the profile.

This is fantastic. I drew a Lighthouse, pretty close to the banned material, and it nailed it.

https://imgur.com/a/1nBQ9GY https://imgur.com/a/aCht8Ie

I dunno...I drew quite a few and all it did was eventually start erasing lines.

That's what happens when you draw something longer than the maximum length allowed.

I drew a frog and it was recognized as a cactus, then made a more elaborate frog and it was also a cactus. The penis I drew was recognized as an octopus, it seems to make the guess very early on in the drawing process.

You're supposed to draw a simple shape out of just a few lines - there's even a limit in place there.

This reminded me of this scene from Superbad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orFw3vlif8I

Slightly offtopic but is there a reason why penis drawings are more common than vaginas.

There aren't many datasets for vagina drawings from quick search. Nothing much pops up on github either. I haven't seen many people draw them. Penis and boobs are common in school and online spaces. I observed this to be the same for both genders.

What gives?

They are somewhat more iconically shaped, since they have a very distinct silhouette? And thus easier to draw since you only need to approximate the shape. And easy to see all over the place since more things are distinctly shaped like them.

This seems intuitively true but is there way to prove this?

I am not sure if line complexity has to do with it. [0] looks more or less the same amount if you simplify. Of course with simplification, it's less observable or clear.

1. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRl0Q...

So I tried drawing both of them a few times, I think vaginas are harder to draw because they require to be more symmetric than a penis. It's more to do with how your wrist works while working in the opposite direction.

> Slightly offtopic but is there a reason why penis drawings are more common than vaginas.

Because female sexual organs are a taboo in most countries. I just happened to read this article (sorry, in German only) https://www.spiegel.de/gesundheit/sex/klitoris-und-weibliche... Like you, more than 70% of women don't even know that the thing you are referring to is called vulva, not vagina. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulva

You draw a penis, not an urethra after all.

Still there are differences from country to country. When I moved from Germany to Finland decades ago I wondered about a certain pattern of symbolic graffiti seen in many places. My girlfriend explained me that's a vagina. (With today's knowledge she meant vulva). I had never seen that symbol in Germany. But then Finland is the country where the most common swear word is cunt, even amongst 14 year old girls.

I expected this lol. I know the anatomical difference but in general what people refers to as vagina/pussy is vulva so I went with that. Pussy is often used in derogative way which is why people go with vagina.

Thanks for sharing the article. It does seem like female reproductive organs being taboo is the main reason behind lack of their depiction.

While "vulva" is now the correct medical term, initially it was also an euphemism, used as wrongly as some people use now "vagina". In the beginning, "vulva" was a synonym for "uterus" and its current meaning arose much later, because some began to use it in order to avoid the correct word "cunnus".

As a Finn, I can confirm that people draw vulvas, although I don't know if they're more popular than dicks.

The doodle is usually called kirkkovene ("church boat"). https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=kirkkovene&tbs=imgo...

(Screenshot, in case Google doesn't give the right results for all users: https://i.imgur.com/HASrhyr.png)

>You draw a penis, not an urethra after all.

Typically a penis and testicles, going by this thread. But the title still says penis.

A medical definition does not overrule a colloquial one.

A woman can see her own breasts without aid of a mirror. She cannot see her vagina without some sort of aid.

According to the works of Camille Paglia, the reason we have female strippers but male strippers aren't so much a thing (and she was writing some time ago, so times have changed somewhat) is because after a female stripper has taken everything off, her genitals remain hidden. Not so with a man.

There are some inherent challenges to depicting the vagina. It's hard to put on display "normally." It isn't on display merely because you are standing there naked like with a penis.

/2 cents

In Czechia, vagina drawings are somewhat common. I was surprised to learn this is not the case in most of the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%AD%C4%8Da

Quarantine project: To create an AI that can draw the most realistic penis without triggering the penis detector

I tried drawing my fursona but it started erasing lines after a while :(

The voice prompts were a little annoying. Are you supposed to try to draw a penis to make it say something?

Looks like an adult spin of https://quickdraw.withgoogle.com/

Hack: If you draw two at once, they fail to recognize it.

...but the title said do not draw "a" penis. It did not say "don't draw muliple penises"...

Story checks out?

(Warning, NSFW): https://imgur.com/UqabKL8 https://imgur.com/6pEtsPU

https://github.com/studiomoniker/Quickdraw-appendix

It definitely leaned into it.

So...I drew a flaccid penis, front view, in front of a scrotum. To give it context I added in legs and a body...and that appears to be when it became recognized, and began erasing itself while audio warned me about drawing inappropriate images. Neat.

I see from my experiments followed by inspection of the compiled main.chunk.js the application is programmed to respond with an array of responses where accuracy is 0,30 (low) - for ex when I doodle jagged lines - "Engage more..."/ "Total Abstraction"/ "This could be anything". However, among this array of responses is also "Don't be vague or abstract".

This, as a machine-generated response to someone doodling comes across at once as naive as well as somewhat intimidating :P "Okay mommy, won't draw penis, but can I at least draw a few random lines and dots?"

You can always hide your penis so that it won't be detected. For example https://i.imgur.com/JKiNNDE.png

This website reminds me that no matter how old I get, I'm still 12.

I immediately thought of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7hMzX2q4yk

It's interesting to see what the AI does and doesn't recognize. It recognized my lame attempt to draw the Eiffel Tower - impressive, the Mona Lisa, and a (barbed wire) fence. It didn't recognize drawings of the Ace of Spades a desk calendar, the Canadian Flag, or written words.

AI is going to eat the world, IMHO, and we've just started up the exponential curve in the past two decades. Huge potential to appear REALLY intelligent.

> Do Not Draw a Penis functions as an agent to collect inappropriate doodles from people who are not willing to stay within the moral guidelines set by our social network providers.

Contrast to this fairly broad stated goal, it is very single minded. I'll grant that the vulva I drew was probably hard to make out (still though - "asparagus"?), but the boobs? They should have been easily distinguishable from a "stereo".

That was a lot of juvenile fun.

Yay, it likes my house with bushes[0]

[0] https://i.imgur.com/fbFjedW.png

The voice reminds me of Salad Fingers and the Rusty Spoon. Total recommender to view for anyone not familiar with the series!

hmm.

https://i.imgur.com/A7r77Pb.jpg

No luck recognizing either of these :(

https://l.sr.ht/skBo.png https://l.sr.ht/dKWH.png (NSFW?)

Though that could be down to my artistic skill.

Well, you didn't draw a penis...

This is hilarious, which is an achievement for an algorithm, and it knows what I'm drawing.

I just wrote "penis" and it told me it's nothing but a bunch of lines. 3/10

wow.... if you draw enough penises, the lady in the computer starts drawing her own penises of all different artistic-interpretations (I'm assuming drawn by other site visitors?), all while insulting you with very colorful expressions.....

I came here to say this as well. Couldn't stop laughing. If you draw 3 in a row, she keeps saying all sorts of insults while drawing penises!

I mean, I guess it'd be cool if it worked. But it did not flag a single attempt.

Interesting. I drew mouse and then cat and it did not recognize either. Then I drew them again. The image looked the same but the parts were drawn in different order. That was enough for AI to suddenly recognize both images

I drew a boa constrictor that had eaten an elephant, but it just deemed it a hat.

I started off with a tree and some other mundane things, and it nailed the first 5-6 in a row (car, house, smiley face, scissors). It thought my dog was a cow, and apparently I don't draw very recognizable kites.

Reminds me of TTP! https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=time%20to%20...

Cool, was the drawing interaction a custom UX component, or is this using some library on github somewhere? I can't imagine how to even build something like this, and am really curious.

I tried making a dotted version of a penis, and the AI did not detect!

i also wrote "penis" and it didn't get it either.

Interesting. Wow.

The lady keeps warning and erasing your work if you try to draw penises.

However, after a while she seems to had enough, the lady goes furious and cursing, and she keeps drawing hundreds of penises for you.

It reminds me a bit of Eliza[1] -- a 2020 version.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA

I wonder how it "thinks"/"sees". Because the AI clearly couldn't recognize my version (putting out dots until it became like a continuous line).

I think this is an important point. How is the data processed, given and saved? -Are the movements and start to stop positions saved when doing the strokes? -Or is a picture taken after the stroke is released and the pixels compared one by one? - is it made to vector art and then compared? -or just take mouse input, button pressed and not in a time log sort of and compare?

Surprising how it was able to recognize my crude sketching of tables, chairs, barns, etc...

Now, here's a challenge: try to draw an airplane that doesn't get recognised as a penis!

Ha, I drew the first thing that came to mind: a shovel. I shortly realized that it probably looked like a penis, surprisingly the voice realized it was a shovel. Well done!

Beautiful indeed https://www.screencast.com/t/PRj4hT6pDzk2

I played tic-tac-toe and it thought I drew a windmill...

Interesting project, is there a way to assist it in training I didn't find on the interface to tell it I played tic-tac-toe?

[Warning: NSFW]

It didn't recognize this beauty: https://imgur.com/a/iTYAry9

It recognized my smiley face with bleeding bullet-hole in forehead as a face, and recognized my mountains, but couldn’t recognize my fish. Not bad overall.

So it can detect an airplane, train, sun, smiley face, popsicle, cannon, ocean, palm tree, laptop, pick-up truck, mushroom, octopus, zigzag...what else?

"not hotdog" was satire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmydtFDTGs

was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW9Fiu9IlA4

You can quickly turn a penor into a chicken by adding a bill/neb and a circle around the "eye". Ruining the fun for the greifer.

Headphones every time. The AI isn’t so intelligent.

I drew a penis facing right, and the detection works. But if I draw a penis facing left, it keeps congratulating me for drawing a rifle.

https://seoi.net/penint/

I prefer this drawing pad :)

I drew a penis made of smaller penises. It said it was an asparagus. Even after I added the testicles.

I'm making a note here - huge success.

I thought asparagus was its joke way of saying penis. It seems to always classify mine as asparagus and make some witty comment like "we are certain about your good intentions".

I'd find it difficult to believe that the NN wouldn't be biased. i.e. It still categorises a cartoon bone as a penis.

I was hoping that this site would let you provide a partial doodle, and then whatever you gave it would finish it as a penis

https://redd.it/g6og9l

Since Moniker made the dataset open on GitHub you're free to try your luck! Above link is a pretty good implementation.

Why oh why is the demo site not called thisdickdoesnotexist.com.

Didn't seem to recognize dickbutt.

It did, however, immediately recognize the fattest chode I've ever had the pleasure of drawing.

https://i.imgur.com/IGP3uCp.png

It's quite bad at picking up vagina's though :/ Or perhaps I'm just particularly poor at drawing them

I can't get it to recognize a penis.

Is the Gretta Thunberg voice intentional?

You can draw a knob, urethra and frenulum in pretty explicit detail and it won't realise this is a penis.

Too bad the tea towels are out of stock!

Still some black ones in stock!

One of the creators here: we were very much caught by surprise by the sudden interest in this project. (A year after launch) We are currently counting stock and updating our shop for a better experience (like not defaulting to an out of stock color for a product)

My old colleague Jae worked on this, love how it turned out. Hope you are healthy and staying safe! - Mark

"Do not draw a penis!" - was the first I did after opening the link (I mean, I draw a penis).

Huh. Turns out drawing a penis is kinda hard using the pointer nipple on my laptop's keyboard.

Ok cool but what about sketch of vulva and clitoris? Can be fun to add them to the model too :)

Is there supposed to be a voice or something? I unmuted the site and it's still silent...

I drew a vagina. The voice had no idea what I was drawing (and it wasn't a bad drawing).

reminds me of this screenshot I took when Google had their own neural-net-recognizing-drawings: https://imgur.com/a/PqLpTJy

It took about four different penises before it managed to recognize one as such.

You may want to see a doctor ;)

More like take drawing lessons.

It was clearly a joke, as indicated by ";)"

I genuinely laughed out loud when I read it :P

It recognized my attempt at drawing an elephant, but didn’t recognize when I converted it to a penis with a few deft strokes.

Whatever you do, do NOT repeatedly draw penises. Bad stuff starts happening....

How is the text to speech so good? It sounds like a real person is saying that.

This isn't TTS.

I thought so too, but it says every word like ambulance, police car, tree, or whatever I'm drawing.. So they recorded all those words?

I drew a penis and said that it was surgical forceps. They didn't buy it.

This was fun. It failed though, when I made the penis veiny, large or hairy.

I drew an alien demon grabbing his penis, but alas, it was not recognized :(

Navy pilots draw penis in the sky... https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nation-world/national/ar... top that !

Okay, for science I drew a lot of different penises. It did well

It lets you draw a naked woman with a penis... Or so I am told.

Does it know a dickbutt?

No, it does not.

There's an easter egg after you've drawn so many.

Tough to beat AI. But successfully drew a penis. Good game.

I drew a puppy and it thought I drew a kangaroo :(

> The ephemeral nature of this.. Trombone?

Yessss... Trombone...

> Your.. Garden, has greaat personality

Bush detection, check!

Is HN getting a lot of Reddit traffic recently?

In a sense, yes. Long dormant users have become more active during this pandemic, and are very obviously creating feedback loops of cultural reinforcement. Activists and other fans of lazy, superficial contributions are also involved. We may or may not be in the midst of an eternal September type event, depending on whether key actors recognize what is happening and decide that it is worth addressing. Unfortunately the conversation is damaged by a pre-existing motive to stifle or dismiss this specific meta-discussion, developed in response to years of repetitive criticism.

Since it seems to be about morals and free speech, I wrote some hate speech next to my penis. I wonder if they'll need to censor anyway just like Google does.

I started drawing an elephant, then the eraser came along.

Apparently I'm bad at drawing penises.

does this lag for anyone else? i can't draw anything because every few seconds it freezes up my browser.

The speed of that eraser is irritating.

Genius. Kids will love to play with it.

The model does not recognize an eye :(

Drew a tree. It knew it was a tree.

How to win? Railroad tracks. FTW :)

Does not work with a touch screen.

I successfully tested it on an Android phone just a few minutes ago. It did not load immediately.

does not recognize a penis drawn with dotted lines, solid line penis is a definite no-go.

It called my penis an asparagus.

i tried to draw the sun (with rays, kindergarten style), it said it was a helicopter.

Very cool. Thanks for sharing.

It thought mine was a spoon.

I successfully drew a penis.

Is this Isabella Rosselini?

really disappointed it doesn't recognise smoking pipes...

First thing I drew....

What's the voice assistant and how can we use it on macOS?

It seem to be playing a bunch of mp3 assets, so the voices are pre-recorded. Not sure if those mp3 are generated with a text to speech software or not though.

I was able to scam 4 of them in without being detected.

i drew a tank it thought it was a train

Not hot dog.

The technology underlying this site is interesting. Many of the comments here are indistinguishable from a reddit thread. Will HN rediscover itself as the pandemic wanes?

hotdog.

Not hotdog.

This is inappropriate!

Dang, please have this removed!

Where's Dang?

hot dog, not hot dog.

this is so much fun.

not hot dog

c==8

Domains around here are amazingly creative. It's an important part of the package, and if it delivers a surprise and a chuckle like this all the better.

https://imgur.com/a/PxUghdz

My contribution. This rather severe depiction managed to fly under the radar. The AI was even kind enough to heap praise upon my illustration.

Commissioned by Mozilla. 3rd place in browsers, but 1st place in penis recognition!

Press D to see a live view of the AI's top 5 guesses and probability for your drawing. It reacts to penis when penis enters the top 5.

It’s a strange cross between an erotic game and Pictionary.

This is both delightful and creepy at the same time.

much worst then the AI system I used at the Orlando science center

Easy to fool. Draw something that's not a penis and _then_ draw a penis.

That URL is so juvenile, I wouldn't want to be caught dead using something like that. Also, I already have a drawing app, and it doesn't need an internet connection to work. And if anybody wants my help to improve their surveillance gear, they will have to pay me for it.

>my fursona

The Internet was a mistake.

:p But yeah, I agree the prompts are irritating. I was confused as to the 'objective', to be honest.

We detached this from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23185395 and marked it off topic.

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