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On the flip side I saw a short interview with a UCSF doctor that went to help out in New York where mentioned the hospital converted their cafeteria into a COVID19 ward. Not just in case but because it was full of patients on vents.

No amount of Hacker News Mental Gymnastics(tm) is going to explain that away.

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Well, I also saw a medical worker saying that if someone dies before testing, that will be counted as a COVID death[1].

No amount of Hacker News Mental Gymnastics(tm) is going to explain that away.

[1]:https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld/status/1254232498122428416

Considering mortality is 6x normal, that is a sane default under lack of resources for testing considering at least 80% probability.

> I also saw a medical worker saying that if someone dies before testing, that will be counted as a COVID death[1]

But this is what happens for flu too. You want to count them using the same methodology. You either use confirmed cases (Covid-19 kills more people than a bad flu year, and yes we do test for flu); or you use confirmed and suspected cases (again, covid-19 kills more than a bad flu year); or you use excess mortality (and this year we have huge increase in excess mortality).

There's no way to look at the data and come up with anything other than "covid-19 kills a lot of people".

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