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> Except China is clearly lying about having their outbreak contained. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for everyone to realize.

You have no data to back up your totally spurious allegations. Are you just outright speculating? If you're going to say something so bold, citations are necessary.

What we do know is this:

- Apple has re-opened their factories and all 42 Apple stores in all of China [1], and closed their Apple stores in the entire rest of the world [2]. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Apple would do this except in the face of evidence. What kind of PR nightmare do you think they'd be inviting if it was discovered they put lives at risk to placate the PRC?

- Tourist attractions and factories are re-opening. [3]

- The WHO said: "China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic. A particularly compelling statistic is that on the first day of the advance team’s work there were 2478 newly confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported in China. Two weeks later, on the final day of this Mission, China reported 409 newly confirmed cases. This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real." [4]

- I've no doubt this will be confirmed via observation of atmospheric release of nitrous oxides in short order.

Fine, if you don't want to believe China, Apple or the WHO (and soon NASA), you better have some data, otherwise it's just breathless unsubstantiated fear-mongering and conspiracy theories.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/13/21177964/apple-stores-chi...

[2] https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/apple-extends-coronavirus-trig...

[3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesasquith/2020/03/21/no-new-...

[4] https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-chi...

I’ve heard that rather than eliminate all new cases, the best we can hope to achieve would be to slow down the spread so our health system isn’t overwhelmed all at once (most of us would get the virus, just not all at once). Somehow China is claiming to achieve the complete elimination goal rather than the more pragmatic slow the spread goal. Which begs the question, what are we getting wrong in the rest of the world?

> Which begs the question, what are we getting wrong in the rest of the world?

They literally locked people in their homes in the entirety of Wuhan (population 19 million) for a month and sent drones after them if they walked out. It's really not possible for a disease to spread if people are physically isolated. That much is settled science haha.

The difference is China kept people apart by force, and much of the west doesn't have the necessary respect for authority to do so voluntarily. One comment I replied to here someone literally quoted me the national anthem as their justification for going outside and ignoring the shelter-in-place orders.

If there's one thing a totalitarian government can do effectively, it's lock people indoors.

Wake up. No other country implemented the same measures at the same point in the infection curve.

Russia implemented measures earlier, and has almost defeated covid-19 with only one death.

WHO claimed the virus was not contagious up until Jan 20. They are not a trustworthy source but a propaganda arm of the Chinese communist party. The claim that their figures are true is simply an appeal to authority not even backed up by any argument that the supposed authority is even trustworthy.

The United Nations World Health Organization, contributed to by the entire world, is a propaganda arm of the Chinese. [citation needed]. Weird, as of 2012, the largest annual assessed contributions from member states came from the United States ($110 million), Japan ($58 million), Germany ($37 million), United Kingdom ($31 million) and France ($31 million). [1]

They may well have been wrong, or made mistakes early on. You can't exactly claim that the US' response was bang on the money the whole time either. Remember two weeks ago when Donald Trump told us this was nothing to worry about then the next day declared a national emergency then the day after invoked the defense procurement act then did nothing with it? Remember a few days ago when he called it the "deep state department" in front of Fauci who couldn't contain his laughter? Is Donald Trump a propaganda arm of the Chinese? Uh actually wait don't answer that, but you get my point.

It's usually incompetence not malice. Provide sources, not speculation.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization#Fina...

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