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That and there was some news around that China’s infection rate matches the daily manufacturing supply of testing kits. With there not being enough kits to test patients.

Videos from China locals do show way more dead than the official numbers.

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It's no use, people refuse to see the truth for what it is, just as Shenzen [1] and Guangzhou have been put on partial lock-down.

Later edit: Add Tianjin and Chengdu to the list [2], which means that out of the 7 biggest Chinese cities only the first 3 are not yet technically on any form of lockdown (Beijing, Shanghai and Chongqing).

Later later edit: Photos + video of people escaping the Shenzen lockdown just before coming into effect yesterday, February 7th [3]

[1] https://www.epochtimes.com/gb/20/2/8/n11853273.htm (Google Translate will help)

[2] https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/3061526

[3] https://twitter.com/IndoPac_Info/status/1226130936292499457 and https://twitter.com/freddie1999/status/1225754832751013888

The lockdown in Guangdong is real, but it's not the same as the lockdown in Hubei.

Wearing a mask in public is mandatory. Urban villages have been cordoned off and there are checkpoints to move in and out. Gated communities have also been advised to do temperature checks and record movement. All residents who need to return to work next week are being encouraged to register with the local community center to avoid additional ID checks and bottlenecks at the checkpoint.

Unlike in Hubei, public transport is still running. 外卖 (food delivery) and 快递 (courier services) are still active. Many shops and restaurants are closed, but there are slightly more places open this weekend than there were last weekend.

Our version of the lockdown is still oppressive and inconvenient, but it's looser (or more optimized?) now than it was when it was put into place a week ago. There isn't a sense that people are fleeing the city. On the contrary, they are returning from their home provinces.

Source: I live here.

And how exactly did you count the dead in these videos? And how did you match the against the official reports? And for which time period?

Anyone can play the question game. A cursory twitter search #coronavirus will reveal that the situation is more serious that the W.H.O is letting on

Because Twitter is replacing actual situation reports compiled by the international body, the WHO, formed especially for cases like that. Also, the WHO is staffed by experts in that field. How are the people on Twitter measuring up to that? In terms of qualifications and resources?

Don't need a PhD to count bodybags

https://www.bitchute.com/video/yuAG7tjHDJ8I/

But maybe you need one to properly count them? When, where, how many exactly? All the bodybags in the videos the only ones? How are there really? Are they multiple videos, in which you should avoid double counts?

You propose since I don't have the final exact death count as your badgering questions demand, I cannot infer the death toll is higher than the PRC states? I reject your proposal.

There are ways to uncover the real number

Exclusive: Wuhan funeral home staffer reveals real death toll of coronavirus | NTD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KFxCqV1fPQ

1 funeral home (of many in the city), 11 ovens, running 24/7, 1 body per hour = 260 per day every day max capacity

Is the WHO allowed into China to report on & collect data? Oh wait, nope.

So those WHO reports are being based of what exactly...oh yeah CCP provided figures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/health/cdc-coronavirus-ch...

How do you count a dead person who’s apartment building was welded shut [1].

I doubt these deaths were counted, nsfw/graphic [2].

Just doing basic research will tell you the Chinese CCP numbers are not accurate.

[1] https://twitter.com/IndoPac_Info/status/1226180829837025281

(Nsfl/ graphic) https://twitter.com/FinnaganMarina/status/122476176399400141...

Again, no reliable primary sources. Twitter? Seriously?

Western scientific entities aren’t allowed in China to study or collect data (to my knowledge). WHO/CDC/John Hopkins...etc are making analysis on CCP provided numbers. with the CCP numbers historically have not been accurate, with CCP trying to save face.

So what primary source would you recommend?

The ones that make the most sense. In that case, again, the WHO. Why? Because a lot is known about Corona viruses in general. And that one was analysed a lot as well. The WHO is looking at all numbers, not just the ones from China. And apparently these numbers do make sense based on everything we know so far. And these numbers also do ad up, the Chinese ones also seem to make sense in the international context.

Now, I am no expert. But when experts in field are indirectly, in the case of China, and directly verify numbers, and these numbers do make sense based on models and expectations, I go with the experts.

And by all respect, these experts are not on Twitter and YouTube. Because all these. Numbers on YouTube and Twitter, all these videos, are impossible to confirm. Impossible to put them in the proper context, location and time vise. And impossible to verify. Add to that the stress and fear of people on the ground producing these videos, and the ignorance of Youtubers not being on the ground, and you get an unreliable, uninformed mess.

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