Ask HN: A New Decade. Any Predictions? (2010)
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- Bitcoin would become the decade's best investment by far
- the President of the US would conduct foreign policy through Twitter
- electric scooters would become a billion dollar business (Bird, Lime, etc.)
- the sharing economy would threaten the taxi and hotel industries (AirBNB and Uber)
- escalation of school shootings
- the explosive growth of quantitative easing
- negative nominal interest rates on sovereign debt
- revelations of mass surveillance by the US government
- streaming video services would begin to produce content rivaling major studios in quality
- Amazon would become the everything company
- DNA testing would become a major recreational activity with numerous judicial and social implications
- the US would approach energy independence, driven largely by a boom in oil extraction technologies
Also interesting to consider how all of these ideas would have seemed more or less ludicrous in 2010.
Bubble thought. School shootings are down from previous highs and are actually very rare [0].
COVERAGE and willingness to use any incident to promote a very specific narrative are up.
[0] https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/26/schools-are-still-o...
What we're seeing is a large increasing in the number of school shootings, but a decrease in the average success of each school shooter. Is it surprising that the average shooter has become less effective when schools are spending a lot of time and money preparing to deal with them? Shooter drills, established lockdown procedures, buildings being designed with escape and hiding in mind[0], staff training, employment of security guards, etc.
The data you're citing states it plainly: there are more shootings at schools now than 10 or 20 years ago, and more people are being shot at school than 10 or 20 years ago. 50 people killing 3 kids each isn't somehow safer than 25 people killing 4 kids each.
[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/22/new-high...
> 50 people killing 3 kids each isn't somehow safer than 25 people killing 4 kids each.
But you have to treat people killing 2 kids in a completely different way from people that are killing 20. Drills, lockdown procedures, almost all gun limitations... those don't do anything against a single murder.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_To_Prevent_This,%27_...
Seems many will not disarm in the US, so should we be exploring other options rather than repeatedly saying the US should be more like other countries?
Does the onion’s satirical joke take into account all the places there are no guns but this does still happens?
Paris France, and Norway, have both had worse mass and school shootings than any in the USA ever.
It goes to show you never can tell
My overall sentiments, more or less:
1990->2000 we went from very few people owning personal computers to wider adoption of PCs and broadband was gaining traction (I personally had @Home cable internet in 1998).
2000->2010 mass adoption of cell phones, starting with the flip phones to pocket PCs to the first iPhone in 2007. Social media (MySpace, The Facebook). Peer to peer networking, piracy (The Pirate Bay). Laptops. The first tablets.
2010->2020 mild improvements on the stuff from the previous two decades
EDIT: I'll give the last decade Uber (although I've only used it once) and AirBnb since that was a huge shift as well, but my overall feeling remains the same.
I am surprised with no mention of Smartphone. Which is arguably the most important innovation in modern history. 2010s, Smartphone ( iPhone 3GS at the time ) went from niche to 4B users ( iOS, Androids and KaiOS ), that is nearly every person on earth above age 14 in developed countries. I dont think there has ever been a product or technology innovation as important that spread faster than Smartphone. And it changes everyone's life. The post mentioned of Google, Facebook and Amazon empire, all partly grows to this point because of Smartphones. Technology companies together now worth close to 10 Trillions. The whole manufacturing supply chain exists and became huge in Shenzhen because of Smartphone. It was the reason why TSMC managed to catch up to Intel in both capacity and leading edge node. It was the reason why we went from 3G to 5G in mere 10 years because of all the investment kept pouring it. It was the reason why everyone went on to the Internet and had Internet economy. It brought a handheld PC and Internet to a much wider audience. I would even argue it was the Smartphone innovation that saved us from the post 2008 Financial Crisis doom as it created so much wealth, innovation and opportunities.
I would point to the 2010's as the rise of two phenomena:
- Social networking and meme culture
- Explosive growth of software
These will prove to be just as important as the developments of the 2000's, but haven't had the time for other developments to build on them.
They were clearly describing the handling and discourse (I suppose on a large public scale) of climate change as FUD, not climate change itself.
Valued at a billion dollars by venture capitalists. I'd be genuinely surprised if they are anywhere near a $B in revenue
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1027093
And surprisingly the WoW one is the most off :D
Interesting how plausible this one is, yet turned out to be terribly wrong: the newer hyped languages that got some uptake were largely compiled ones like Swift, Rust, Kotlin, and Dart.
Like yeah, you can make an interpreted dynamic language that's pretty neat, but you can also make something like go, swift, or Julia that jits and also captures 90% of that ease of use while significantly reducing your hosting costs/energy consumption.
Going forward I think static compiler inference will be the future of language design. Either for safety like in rust or for convenience like in swift.
And we can already see pitfalls in the interpreted world of python where the wrong implementation, like using a loop instead of numpy, can lead to devastating performance impacts. Looking forward, something like this seems as outdated as having to manage your 640k of executable space in DOS: an unreasonable design constraint caused by the legacy implications of the day.
My prediction is 10 years from now we'll look at interpreters and language VMs as relics from a simpler time when clockrates were always increasing and energy was cheap.
As far as the carbon footprint, well, yeah, it depends. At Google I remember a friend talking about how he cringed whenever he added more code to the pipeline that ingests the entire internet. He said that he wondered how much extra carbon was release into the atmosphere just because of his stupid code.
As for numpy, we are seeing that loops are stupid and Iverson and APL were right. :-)
Funnily enough someone said that exact same thing 10 years ago in that thread:
>* Functional programming / dynamic languages will go out of fashion. People still using them will be judged as incompetent programmers by the people who moved on to the new fashionable programming paradigm(s). At the same time, huge corporations will embrace functional programming / dynamic languages and third world universities will start focusing on them in their courses.
Wrong then wrong now.
I doubt Swift replaced much besides other compiled languages, and Kotlin just compiles to Java anyway. Dart's VM idea was dropped so its small usage is largely compiling to JS still.
I would say that the overall idea of performance being traded for programmer time is definitely happening despite the emergence of Rust.
We're adding more and more cores, but more cores don't help you write a program in easy mode. Easy mode doesn't multithread.
I think the prediction still had a kernel of truth to it though - every edge that chip manufacturers and JIT developers can give us has been burned away on slower and slower client-side rendering frameworks.
I mean, that’s not entirely wrong — Besides JS, Python is arguably the most dominant language across all domains. Python is also faster than Ruby, though, and 3.x added static-like features to the language. It doesn’t seem like there’s much appetite for languages any slower than what we have now.
and golang (Go)
I think this basically describes AI.
It replaces trust with massive resource consumption and doesn't do a good job of being digital money (it is hard to use safely, it is hard to use anonymously).
> "various 'experts' on it will spring from nowhere to lecture us all about it"
Edit: spelling
Turns out the “killer enterprise web application” was YouTube :)
> if there is a way to work Elon Musk in there somewhere that would be good, I have a feeling he's going to make some big waves in the next 10 years but I haven't a clue how.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025787
"not [electronically] tracking your kids will be considered somewhat negligent"
i dunno, seems negligent to me
But even if Javascript were slower, it wouldn't mean the prediction was right. Javascript didn't do something super amazing that let you write beautiful code (the way Rubyists feel about Ruby, or Python folks feel about Python). It just ran the web so we used it. Over time, it's morphed into a language that's about as expressive as any other good dynamic language, also with some warts. But it's not a leap ahead, which is what the original post predicted.
The only language I've felt that way about was Prolog. When it works right, it's amazing. Too bad I can rarely make that happen.
Chrome and V8 were released in 2008, and Node.js (which leverages V8) in 2009. V8 was already considered fast back then. Mozilla and Apple also focused on optimizing their JS stack in the following years.
[1] I'm not a fan of linking to benchmarks, but that's the best I can do: https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... / https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...
Did anybody predict a typical corporate web page would require 3gb of JavaScript code from frameworks and thousands of foreign packages just to write a couple of instructions to screen?
But, nobody is paying attention to it. Some of that is because of the Perl 6 baggage, but just as much is probably because this past decade was so heavily entrenched in proliferation of the web-cloud-mobile paradigm that new scripting systems weren't part of the hype cycle. If it didn't get the backing of the FAANGs, it didn't register.
I can imagine a day coming where scripting shines again, though. It might actually be closer than we think. There is always a need for glue code, and glue code benefits from being a kitchen sink of built-in functionality.
It's not good enough to build a slightly better language any more. People won't learn a new language without their favourite packages (or equivalents).
I sense a strong convergence between all of them (builtin DS, linguistic traits, bits of static typing)
It's rather interesting to see how the web went from IE dominating, to Chrome doing essentially the same. Looks like predicting such a growth was farfetched.
Funny to see that the prediction of IE sticking around was mostly right. I long for the day that IE11 will mostly be gone.
The latter half of this one didn't come to be. Rule of law is weaker and civil liberties have declined.
My favorite is the joke that Zuck will buy Portugal.
Nadella’s excellent pivoting of MS into a cloud and services focused company saved Microsoft from a stagnant or declining state.
I dont think this happened?
I can totally picture new languages as described doing well today if we had exponentially more single threaded processing power/watt at our disposal than we actually do.
I think there is still opportunity for languages that offer huge leaps in expressiveness w.r.t handling concurrency even at the cost of raw single threaded performance. Though I would not label a language like that as "slower" as it'd allow us to actually make much better use of our computing resources than we reasonably could today without blowing through most of our complexity budget, resulting in faster programs in practice.
Below is how I calculated 6 out of 17 predictions correct
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> Facebook will not be displaced by another social network. It will IPO some time in the next two years.
Correct
> Twitter will become profitable, but not as much as some expect. It will be less profitable than Facebook, and may sell to another company.
Correct (profitable since last year)
> Microsoft will .. have shrunk and may have evolved into a consultancy company on the lines of IBM
Wrong
> Internet Explorer will shrink, but won't go away
Correct? (debatable, since software never completely goes away, but MS is no longer developing it and Edge doesn't use the same rendering engine)
> Chrome OS or a similar operating system that relies on web access may grow extremely slowly at first, before rapidly gaining share amongst certain market segments. It will be most successful in places like cities that grant free municipial wifi access.
Wrong
> Mobile phones won't replace computers, but increasing penetration amongst the poorest in developing countries, and increasingly capable handsets in developed countries (and developing countries) will make them a colossal juggernaut. Many of the really big changes, especially social changes, will be caused by mobiles.
This was already true in 2010, so it doesn't even count.
> For any definition of 'success', there will be more tech startups reaching that level in the 2010s than in the 2000s. For example, there will be more than four startups of Youtube/Facebook/Twitter/Zynga proportions.
Wrong.
> In addition, at least one of the 'big' startups of the second half of the decade will have been possible with 2009 technology. By this I mean that people will still be discovering new potential for browser-based web applications built with current client-side technologies, which will remain ubiquitous, although new alternatives will appear.
Correct, but the predication that there will be at least one new web-based startup is not very interesting.
> It will be an even better time to start a startup in 2020 than it is now. One of the key drivers of ease-of-starting-up-ness will not be new technology, but new platforms - like Facebook and viral marketing, but better; or that solve other problems like micropayments, customer development, retention, and so on.
Wrong.
> Hence, starting up will become a more attractive career option, though well-meaning family will still say "at least finish your degree first".
Wrong.
> As Moore's Law marches on, dynamic languages that are even slower than Ruby are likely to catch on. They may be to Ruby what Ruby is to Java, trading even more programmer time for CPU time.
Wrong.
> Having said that, Moore's law will at least hiccup and may stop altogether in the middle of the decade, as semiconductor feature widths drop below 11nm. Since this will likely encourage investment in quantum computing and nanotechnology, by 2020 we might be seeing something faster than Moore's Law.
Wrong, IMO (transistors are still on the curve, but the performance impact of adding more transistors doesn't matter the same way it used to; but he cited Moore's Law specifically, so he's wrong).
> An international deal, of the kind that was aimed for at Copenhagen, will be reached over the next five years, though it might not be far-reaching enough to limit warming to 2 degrees in the long-term. (Despite the failure of the Copenhagen talks, it appears that world leaders almost universally recognize the need to take action over man-made climate change, though the various political problems will remain hard problems). China may not be part of such a deal, though the US likely will. Environmental disasters will begin to increase through the decade, as will disasters that are probably not caused by anthropogenic global warming but will be blamed by it anyway; this will provoke more of a push for action.
Wrong.
> Increasing fuel prices, and green taxes or incentives, will mean large shops will begin to replaced by warehouses, as traditional retail gives way to home delivery.
Wrong, but only because he cited a reason. Otherwise, the prediction that brick-and-mortar stores will continue to be replaced would have been correct.
> China will not become a democracy, or even make moves in that direction. However the rule of law will strengthen, and some civil liberties will increase. Internet crackdowns will continue, and may increase in severity, and will still be rationalized by porn.
I want to say the civil liberties situation in China is the same, but I don't know enough about China to comment on it.
> Despite multiple new fads that purport to make software development ten times faster and error-free, it will remain a hard problem.
Correct, but trivial. Of course writing better software is hard.
> You still won't be able to talk to your fridge, and gesture-based HCI will remain a fun gimmick.
I'm counting this as wrong because of Alexa.
> Virtual worlds like Second Life will remain niche, but World of Warcraft will pass 20 million users and a Facebook game or similar will pass 200 million users.
Wrong.
> The next big thing will be something totally unknown and unpredictable now, as user-generated content and social networking were in 1999. However, when it does appear, various 'experts' on it will spring from nowhere to lecture us all about it. It will still be really cool, though.
Wrong, but maybe I'm forgetting about some big tech thing in the 2010s. It seems that the biggest disprupters was a modernization of cab companies and hotel bookings. We may be on the dawn of several actually unpredicted new things, like driverless cars and the use of neural networks for some kind of cool new applications, but there's been no killer app. These are hopefuls on the horizon, not profitable products and industries.
I don't know about that. ChromeOS did grow slowly, and has gained significant share of the entire US education space (K-12). Yeah, it's a niche market. But I think that fits the for "certain market segments" qualifier.
> (Virtual worlds will remain niche, but WoW will pass 20 million users, a Facebook-like game or similar will pass 200 million users) Wrong.
This is technically wrong, but in-spirit correct. Virtual worlds / MMO games did get the traction claimed, just not WoW specifically. (The MMORPG FF14 Online has ~20 million users, MMO Warframe has 50 million registered users, 'facebook-game' Farmville has 73 million users, and 'or similar game' Fortnite has 250 million registered users). Minecraft holds similar numbers.
And while WoW itself never quite hit those numbers, a different game from the same studio did. Blizzard's Hearthstone has over 100 million registered users today.
> This was already true in 2010, so it doesn't even count.
This definitely wasn't true in 2010. On June 1, 2010, Steve Jobs proclaimed that the post-PC era had arrived, and was promptly ridiculed for it by the industry and media. Massive social changes caused by mobile phones have only occurred this decade, as the gig economy has exploded and places like India have 10x'd the number of citizens with internet access.
>> For any definition of 'success', there will be more tech startups reaching that level in the 2010s than in the 2000s. For example, there will be more than four startups of Youtube/Facebook/Twitter/Zynga proportions.
> Wrong.
Huh? Of those 4, Facebook in 2009 was the most valuable at $10 billion. Now there are 20+ private unicorns with that valuation, as well as dozens more that have IPOd in the last few years. How is that prediction wrong in any way, shape, or form?
>> Hence, starting up will become a more attractive career option, though well-meaning family will still say "at least finish your degree first".
> Wrong.
>> An international deal, of the kind that was aimed for at Copenhagen, will be reached over the next five years, though it might not be far-reaching enough to limit warming to 2 degrees in the long-term. (Despite the failure of the Copenhagen talks, it appears that world leaders almost universally recognize the need to take action over man-made climate change, though the various political problems will remain hard problems). China may not be part of such a deal, though the US likely will. Environmental disasters will begin to increase through the decade, as will disasters that are probably not caused by anthropogenic global warming but will be blamed by it anyway; this will provoke more of a push for action.
> Wrong.
Again, this is correct. The US did enter the Paris Agreement, and has not actually formally withdrawn yet as it is not legally eligible to do so until November 2020. "Environmental disasters will begin to increase through the decade, as will disasters that are probably not caused by anthropogenic global warming but will be blamed by it anyway; this will provoke more of a push for action." is an especially cogent prediction.
>> China will not become a democracy, or even make moves in that direction. However the rule of law will strengthen, and some civil liberties will increase. Internet crackdowns will continue, and may increase in severity, and will still be rationalized by porn.
> I want to say the civil liberties situation in China is the same, but I don't know enough about China to comment on it.
Civil liberties have likely gotten worse, but the rule of law has indeed strengthened. Internet crackdowns being rationalized by porn is also correct, as seen in the UK and elsewhere.
As far as ChromeOS and video games go, maxsilver covered those pretty well already.
This is wrong too.
Curious if the "wisdom of crowds" works with these future predictions or if only a few were on target.
And yet, people regularly think "a decade is a long time, surely this trend will be finished by then". Recognizing that existing trends are still likely valid is worthwhile.
- Apple and Google are still the only two mobile operating systems that matter and they are still in relatively the same position. iOS still controls the high end where the money is and Android has the market share but the OEMs are not making any money.
- Facebook is more profitable and popular.
- Amazon is still the number one online retailer, the Kindle is still by far the most popular ereader but more importantly, the Kindle platform is still dominant.
- Google still hasn’t managed to diversify from its ad business and YouTube is still dominant for video.
- Netflix is still the dominant streaming platform.
- Microsoft is doing better than ever.
You're badly misremembering or recontextualizing with hindsight bias. At the start of 2010, iOS had 32%, Android had 4.5%, and there were at least 5 other mobile OSs with >4% market share. Start of 2020 and we're looking at Android with 74%, iOS with 24%, and zero other OSs with >1% market share. These are very different situations!
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2512940/android-smartp...
I don’t think this was a sure thing in 2009. Symbian still had half the market. BB had a larger share than either iOS or Android. WebOS was cool.
https://business.financialpost.com/technology/personal-tech/...
Netflix didn't start streaming until 2011. So it wasn't a streaming platform at all in 2010.
https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2007/01/8627/
By 2009, they had 12,000 movies up for streaming, and Netflix-compatible devices were advertised heavily in stores, with Best Buy including Netflix apps on their store-brand devices.
https://www.cnet.com/news/netflix-compatible-video-devices-c...
> I predict lots of people will make predictions, but we'll never go back to check and see if they were right.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025703
This poster saw it.
If anything, this has come much more true than I anticipated. I hadn’t got as far as Cambridge Analytica.
Who's scalp was it? I don't know any politician who has been taken to task over network analysis and data mining. Fore sure not Obama, whose staffers have quietly chortled that they did far worse than Cambridge Analytica ever did. Definitely not Trump, his numbers are as even as they haev ever been. Maybe Zuckerberg? But he's still CEO of his company.
(Disclaimer: Not an American, don't like Hillary Clinton and definitely not Donald Trump.)
In that light, the answer is obvious: Hillary Clinton!
(And before someone complaints, which someone will definitely still do: Given the extremely close election, it is possible, even likely, that any single one of maybe a dozen issues had the potential to change the outcome: Just being a bit better as a candidate would have been enough. That e-mail "scandal" getting the same attention as the dozens of carbon copies of it since revealed in the Trump Cabinet, i. e. none, would have sufficed. Defences against Russian interference, or even just widespread knowledge of the attacks, could have been enough etc. etc.
> I predict (and hope for) a major turn back to simplicity in technologies. Multimillion-line software will go extinct like dinosaurs. Existing programming languages and platforms will gradually be replaced with ones so simple and elegant that one software component will be written and maintained by one to three developers and art designers and not a whole software company packed with managers and other unnecessary staff. Oh, and managers along with poeple who "understand" "software business" but not software will hopefully go extinct too.
If I can predict anything for 2030 based on this, it will be software being even more complex, with even more frameworks and abstractions.
Performance comes from optimizing the usage of state against hardware, modularity comes from code satisfying the properties of composition which is best left stateless (and high levels of modularity must come from abstraction and conventional practice, incurring further debts on the programmer and machine.)
It's a tension that I haven't seen fully resolved but I'm very very very open to being wrong. Many languages seem to be experimenting in this space with some preference for one side of the equation for another.
We know how this works, at least in broad theoretical terms. Zero-cost abstractions are quite feasible within a self-contained module/component, but their scope is ultimately limited by ease of building and deployment. Nevertheless the performance impact of having to support high levels of abstraction across modules/components is quite reasonable, even if not literally "zero" cost.
* industry has either no interest or capacity in quality
* software flaws may cause severe harm but will play no role for the majority of the industry. it is a gamble just like vc business.
* pace of change/inonnovation will actually add even more harm
* excellence in the field will decrease because the baseline compexity is already too high, people will specialize probably in ML/AI/fin.
One chance I see is that the industry runs into a major HR crisis and some smart players understand that the complexity cannot be maintained by "developers" or "software engineers" anymore and come up with solutions other than opening up more positions.We could use a lot more of it in software.
Nothing can fix unnecessary complexity. It will continue to affect every tool used to maintain it.
What I never predicted was the sheer enormity of the useless cruft the community would build around it. I used to contribute to some of the React community places (particularly irc), and in the early days the discussion there was super interesting. Now it's just endless waves of "I'm building X and having Y problem with dependency Z" where Z is something I've never used because it looks shit, Y is something I haven't encountered in 3 years, and X is something I could build in my sleep with just plain old React.
I've always wondered if Java devs feel the same, or if they're happy drowning in whatever crap is in their ecosystem? Like, do they all love Java but hate every single code base they have to work on? Or is that a uniquely JS problem?
Except for C and C++. C just gets better, C++ just keeps growing.
npm and is_odd comes to mind.
There surely is a lot of frameworks, it almost make more sense to have less.
That one strikes a certain chord..
>adw on Jan 1, 2010 [-]
>Network analysis and data mining will claim their first major political scalp.
>That'll be a watershed moment: the politics of information are going to start being the kind of core liberal issue that environmental issues currently are.
Unfortunately, both of these were spot-on.
Its probably because they picked the right guy to lead after Ballmer.
The Bell System was obligated to license all its patents royalty free, and it was barred from entering any industry other than telecommunications.
...
Although the 1956 consent decree was not effective in ending market foreclosure, it permanently increased the scale of US innovation.
https://voxeu.org/article/how-antitrust-enforcement-can-spur...
(This happened to a friend of mine - he sold it all off to pay-off his student loans before the 2013 bubble peaked - it'd be worth over $10m at the end of 2017).
Bitcoin is like fairy dust , nearly impossible to grasp.
Glad this didn't happen. Also it's weird to me to equate functional & dynamic like that.
Except for the spread of Javascript. No one said backend JS would be a thing.
What people don't realize is that functional programming is mixed martial arts. The art of combat brought down to the science of combat. I think there is little chance FP will become mainstream. MMA didn't become popular because it was the most effective art, it became popular because it was packaged up into entertainment.
That's probably true.
> I think there is little chance FP will become mainstream
That's demonstrably not, as React has basically gone full FP. I would argue that the majority of bootcamp students are now taught functional programming.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025709
Didn't happen! Kudos to @dang and the HN staff for keeping the site going for a decade !!
(Context: I am the admin of Lobsters.)
> Internecine fighting erupts amongst the software clans over whether certain symbols are separating or terminating and whether or not the name of the god of modification is spelled with two letters or five. The dehumanized masses turn on the dithering software clans and their IT crowd supporters, demanding to have their souls restored from failed exchange, facebook, gmail, and twitter servers. A small nomadic clan clad in denim and mock turtlenecks seeks the legendary Cupertino Stone in the wasteland of New Gorgoroth (mostly between the 85 and the 280), but finds only the unpublished "Objectivist-C Manifesto" and shiny discs inscribed "Dylan DR1".
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Edit: if there is a way to work Elon Musk in there somewhere that would be good, I have a feeling he's going to make some big waves in the next 10 years but I haven't a clue how.
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yeah
Sad, but accurate.
http://nautil.us/issue/65/in-plain-sight/why-futurism-has-a-...
it has something special somehow, I always come back to it
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Disruptive ideas take humanity by a storm few people believe it's coming, the rest can only connect the dots looking backwards.
Compare this to developments happening outside the computing-tech world (like Musk is doing) and the rise of green building tech. Today it is more than feasible to build a house that generates more energy than it consumes over the course of a year, even in cold climates like Northern Europe. The only thing preventing this from being more common is knowledge (builders keep building what they know) and it costs a little more upfront.
> Also, this decade sees the beginning of the "pension bomb" - the demographic bulge of post-war baby boomers crossing the threshold into retirement. It's fairly easy to predict that there will be pensions scandals, with some pensions companies going bust or paying out far less to recipients than had been originally advertised. Also I predict the beginning of large supermarket scale retirement homes/complexes/compounds, where economies of scale can reduce costs of elder care.
Both predictions were 100% correct. Many pensions were cut dramatically or eliminated. AMR is one that comes to mind immediately, but the pension benefit corp could only do so much for many others. Also, this problem now seems like an imminent problem for many companies and public entities. This is only going to get worse.
The Villages in Ocala, FL fit the second point, and I'm confident other places exist like it.
What changed in tech from 2010 to 2020? My take below.
Hardware:
Phones got way better and changed the face of modern human life. 3D TVs fizzled. VR has fizzled so far. AR fizzled. CPUs improved, but more slowly. HDDs improved, but more slowly. SSDs got cheap. Displays got way cheaper. Cars got better infotainment systems and other features, but never drove themselves. Wireless power didn't happen. Mesh networks didn't happen. Ultra cheap RFID didn't happen. Robots didn't happen. Telerobots didn't happen. T Dynamic pricing didn't really happen. Drone delivery didn't happen. Flexible electronics didn't happen. Nanotechnology didn't really happen. Graphene didn't happen. Ubiquitious computing didn't happen. Non-silicon based solar didn't happen. Silicon solar costs plummeted and installations went gangbusters. Wearable electronics didn't happen, except for smart watches. eReaders grew. FPGAs never took off. Chips are still mostly silicon. The top CPU makers are still Intel and AMD. The top GPU makers are still NVIDIA and AMD. The top video game console makers are still Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft. Home internet remained mostly cable, not fiber. Computers remained x86, phones remained ARM.
Software:
The dominant search engine is still Google. The dominant computer operating systems are still Windows and Mac OS. The dominant phone operating systems are still Android and iOS. The top video streaming site is still YouTube. The top map site is still Google Maps. The dominant office software is still Microsoft Office. The dominant social network is still Facebook. The top online retailer is still Amazon. The top cloud provider is still AWS. Internet Explorer died, and Chrome grew in share. Websites are lot better and slicker. Phone apps got way, way better. Cryptocurrencies didn't take off. MMOs didn't take off. Web anonymization didn't happen. Web identity didn't happen. Malware still exists. Spam still exists. Lag still exists. Functional programming didn't take off. Telepresence didn't take off. Remote work didn't take off. Mass outsourcing of software jobs didn't happen. Linux didn't take off. Prediction markets didn't happen. Video calls didn't really take off, but they happen. Most of what was growing in 2010 continued to grow, most of what was shrinking in 2010 continued to shrink.
What else happened? What narratives do you construct?
But for my situation and requirements, SSDs still didn't get cheap.
But one recurring prediction that was notably wrong was of Microsoft's declining prospects. It would have been difficult at the time to argue otherwise, but WOW did things turn out differently.
Not an image search engine as much as whole governments but this rings eerily true.
People don't have alternatives to using the internet, to their smartphones, and to electronic money, that let them still participate in interesting modern society.
I think deep down, anyone who thinks about it knows everything they do with their devices may be tracked, is probably being tracked and analysed, but the tools are too essential to life, so they can't afford to worry.
That said, I mentioned to someone recently that web servers keep a log of every request and the person was shocked! (Imagine if they could see the details kept by modern analytics and observability tracing!)
Funnily enough, my Dad asked me about what happens with data in the cloud the other day so that was interesting.
By itself hardly a bold prediction, but the top reply makes a caveat about mobile devices, which gets some nods about mobile taking much longer to transition to 64-bit.
Few might have imagined Apple would ship its first 64-bit phone only three years later, and a version of iOS before the decade was over that ended support for 32-bit phones!
Much of the energy in a computer goes on communication between chips, so increased memory use means increased energy use. As well as more going on inside the CPU transferring all those redundant pointer bits around
And phones are notably sensitive to energy use.
I'm glad that this remains mostly false (as well as "all high street bookstores go bust"). Sure, you can get a wi-fi enabled toaster or coffeepot, but the basic versions are still available for sale.
I chose to live without wi-fi at home, and with no smartphone, for the past four months -- just to see how my life went without the distraction. Now the experiment has run its course, and I plan to order wifi again. But basically life went on as normal, and I feel I could do another four months if I chose.
I wonder for how long into the future such a choice will remain realistic.
I don't think there will be any notable advancements in science: we won't create AI, we won't cure cancer and we won't switch to electric cars.
Iran will Change : I’ll call it NO
RFID-Everything : Basically NO… not in consumer-land, at least
Cheap Flat Panel Displays : YES
Ubiquitous & Wireless/Mobile: YES
Ebooks Take Over & Pirates Win: NO. Surprisingly, the opposite happened. monolithic legal markets did really well.
Electric Cars Event Horizon: ALMOST
Driverless Cars Go Live: NO.
Still No Fusion Power: CORRECT
MSFT Declines: NO
Chinese Bubble Burst: NO
Lady Gaga is New Madonna: Yes. Good call!
Google will Change for Worst: CORRECT on the moral point. INCORRECT on the financial one
Pension Bomb Problems: No
Habitable Planet Found: PROBABLY, but we don’t know which one it was.
Data Mining Political Watershed: YES.
Contactless payment systems grew out of RFID, I would categorize that as a YES.
I guess contactless payment just didn't seem important to me, so I forget about it. Nifty, sure but blink and you miss it.
Some of the people championing doomsday scenarios ought to be humbled by the reality of not being able to predict almost anything ten years out.
Until someone invents a real crystal ball...
In the context of 2009, Microsoft was obviously in disarray and most would just accelerate a current trend to make a prediction.
Turns out many important changes in the decade were not predictable that way (although it applies for the success of the smartphone in several comments too).
My guess is full self driving on high ways by 2030 with some semi-autonomous trucks. Removing a driver won’t happen until 2040-50.
A few of them are correct (cheapish high density displays, commercially successful ebook readers, self-driving cars) but most are terribly inaccurate.
Left the same comment but with some fun, probably wrong predictions, over on the other post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21941512.
There was no year zero.
There are some African countries richer than Eastern European countries.
This sucks...
>>Probably the best prediction I've read on this thread.
Once the tech becomes good enough, it'll no longer make sense to own all these devices.
Wow. Nailed it.
> Facebook will be gone in 5 years, just like MySpace. Half a dozen companies will rise and fall in replacing it. The web will churn even faster than it did before. [1]
Love the reply to this one. "Probably the best prediction I've read on this thread." [2]
There's also [3]:
> * During the second half of the decade, the Chinese bubble will burst. This will be a quite heavy shock. A lot of people will lose a lot of money. A younger/more populist group of politicians will assume power in China.
> * Functional programming / dynamic languages will go out of fashion. People still using them will be judged as incompetent programmers by the people who moved on to the new fashionable programming paradigm(s). At the same time, huge corporations will embrace functional programming / dynamic languages and third world universities will start focusing on them in their courses.
> * Lady Gaga will be the new Madonna.
To be honest I don't know about pop to know if this is true, but it sounds to me like Katy Perry might've out-Madonna'd Gaga.
Even the original post has some that didn't turn out as expected:
> - Major changes will happen in Iran, one way or the other. The current trajectory they are on does not seem sustainable for a decade.
Little did they know, yes? Kind of, after the election of Hassan Rouhani and an eventual nuclear deal, although that particular milestone would be scrapped after a big change in government happened in the USA.
> - Ubiquitous computing will finally arrive, with smart cards/RFID on our bodies seamlessly interacting with computers in our environment. As you walk up to your refrigerator, for instance, you're logged in and presented with a customized display. Same goes for the car or the entertainment surface at the Dentist's.
Little did they know at the end of the decade this would be DOA after a series of scandals made people realize maybe privacy is way more important than logging into your refrigerator with a customized display. Also, as it turns out, dentist equipment churn, at least where I'm from, is incredibly slow and still lacking an "entertainment surface" beyond maybe a TV if you're lucky.
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1027153
The "decade" timeline doesn't quite fit but to be honest this wasn't a bad prediction [1].
> Facebook will be the Google of the decade.
This feels very accurate, down to the people. There's plenty of ex-Googlers at Facebook, including Sheryl Sandberg, who essentially built Facebook from "a really cool site" to the profitable ad business it is now.
Google bought YouTube in 2006, and now it's a huge economy of content creators. Facebook bought Instagram in 2012, and it's now a growing economy of influencers. There's plenty of differences of course, but in the ad-tech space it's Google then Facebook, in Machine Learning it's Google and Facebook. What big companies are releasing cool open source software, adopted by millions of developers? Google and Facebook.
Miss-information, hate speech, political controversy and issues with publishers? Facebook and Google/YouTube. In terms of data-tracking only Google is comparable to Facebook— or rather only Facebook is comparable to Google? Virtually complete dominance of a key-part of the web? Google and Facebook. Number of users? I could argue only Android and Facebook are at point where they have to provide free internet to people to gain more users. Diversification into hardware? First Google, then Facebook.
The list goes on. Facebook is (perhaps too ruthlessly, and "breaking too many things") largely another "Google" in many ways. Not sure if this is what the prediction was getting at, but it's interesting to think about.
> Google will be the Microsoft of the decade.
Right now it feels like this is happening. Right now, Google is ubiquitous and feels unbeatable like Microsoft. It also has (1) platform dominance in web and OS and key services, (2) an incredibly diverse set of products and (3) anti-competitive behavior stemming from this dominance. It also has (4) a thick layer of middle-management fighting for relevance leading to (5) lots of product churn, worsened by (6) lack of focus due a "vision" vacuum in upper-management.
I'd suspect the next few years without Page or Brin will be interesting. It'll also be interesting to see if Google 1. Can pull of hardware (Pixel was a good start, but the latest iteration has a lot of reviewers disappointed) 2. Can focus (Android, Chrome OS or Fuchsia? Will they commit to a messaging service?) and 3. Can deliver new products that stick.
> Microsoft will be the IBM of the decade.
Up until Satya Nadella took over in 2014 and his changes started materializing later in the decade this largely sounded like it was the case— old stagnant company, held mostly by slow-to-change enterprise customers, and little in the way of new products.
It's not wrong. But I guess he didn't foresee the Internet of Useless Shit. It matters if you tablet doesn't work without Internet, but doesn't matter if it's your refrigerator, or so we hope.
> Electric cars become fairly common. A destructive feedback loop starts for gasoline fuel: lower demand, lower profit, vendors go bust, less availability, monopoly prices, lower desirability. The gasoline economy is brittle because it has high fixed costs, a complex supply chain, and its power source isn't fungible. As with film versus digital cameras, the result is an exponential crash in the desirability of gasoline cars
Exponential crash? Didn't see it yet.
> Driverless cars will appear. As they move down from the high end to the mainstream, they'll make taxis cheap enough that private car ownership starts to become quaint. Eventually, driving your own car will be considered selfish risk-taking, and banned on public roads.
Not yet.
> DrJokepu on Jan 1, 2010: Still no fusion power.
Haha!
> During the second half of the decade, the Chinese bubble will burst. This will be a quite heavy shock. A lot of people will lose a lot of money. A younger/more populist group of politicians will assume power in China.
The unsustainable early economic growth has came to an end and there was an economic crisis, but there was never a major "burst". And the power was not assumed by a younger group, but a more conservative group. Not sure if's populist or not though.
> Hugo Chavez & his friends will be removed from power in Venezuela.
Still not completely fulfilled, but probably soon.
> Google will experience change in management. From there, it will be downhill for them (at least for the rest of the decade).
Accurate?
> Surprisingly enough, Apple will still stay relevant even though Steve Jobs will have to leave his position due to health problems or something else.
Accurate!
> adw on Jan 1, 2010: Network analysis and data mining will claim their first major political scalp. That'll be a watershed moment: the politics of information are going to start being the kind of core liberal issue that environmental issues currently are.
Accurate.
> jacquesm on Jan 1, 2010: [...] the end of 32 bit computing for consumer pcs and server platforms. So all mainstream machines not being mobile or embedded devices will be 64 bits by the end of the decade (and plenty of those will be too, but you are right, not all of them).
Accurate.
> artagnon on Jan 1, 2010: [...] 3. By 2020, Chrome and Firefox each have 35% market share. Internet Explorer becomes insignificant.
It's wrong, it's more like Chrome has 66% and Firefox has 33% (just an example, the "real" number shows Firefox's market share is even less than that). While the death of Internet Explorer was certain, it was hard to imagine that Google Chrome would be a monopoly.
----- Winners:
'icefox https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1026549
ChromeOS. Based on Linux kernel. Entirely different security system/deployment/upgrades, no legacy applications.
3/3 percentage correct: 100%
'jaquesm https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025696
Pretty sure all are correct, though can't find statistics for the first on hand.
5/5 percentage correct: 100%
'jacquesm https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025709
laarc, though laarc failed.
1/1 percentage correct: 100%
'adw https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025703
No explanation needed.
1/1 percentage correct: 100%
'slashed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025702
1/1 percentage correct: 100%
No explanation necessary.
'jeromec https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1026044
Correct. Would have been incorrect if U.S. didn't come back into Iran to start another war. Details a bit blurry.
1/1 percentage correct: 100%
'jsz0 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1026022
No explanation needed.
2/2 percentage correct: 100%
'antirez https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025765
No explanation needed.
1/1 percentage correct: 100%
'rms https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025758
This happened, despite being far away.
1/1 percentage correct: 100%
'slvrspoon https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025943
Progress with cancer happened, wasn't a big thing. Growth of a Chinese middle class with a voice and independence didn't happen. Nuclear detonation didn't happen. Achievements in energy tech happened. Wi-fi data collection on everything happened, though not main change. Internet and software a snore; happened. Privacy did become an issue for the common user.
4/7 percentage correct: 57%
'IsaacL https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1027093
Facebook successful.
Facebook IPO happened in time allotted.
Twitter became profitable.
Microsoft didn't go anywhere.
Microsoft grew, claim of shrinking denied.
Desktop market shrunk.
Internet Explorer went away. Point denied.
Mobile phones have more or less replaced computers for most average users. Point denied.
Mobile phones did cause most of the big changes during this decade.
More successful startups.
Startups with Facebook/YouTube proportions didn't happen. Point denied.
Huge startups built on phones and web tech did happen.
Startup ecosystem has gotten worse. Point denied.
"Startup instead of college" has gotten more intense.
Languages slower than Ruby caught on. Was not because of Moore's Law but because developers have the attention span of small rodents. Point denied.
Moore's Law is dead.
Deal to limit warming did happen, though it was in six years, not five, and far less than what is claimed here. Point denied.
Traditional retail gave way to delivery; large shops weren't impacted as much as small, and the incentives were wrong. Point denied.
China made no attempt to become democratic.
Rule of law in China got stronger, though civil liberties did not increase. Point denied.
Internet crackdowns have continued and increased in China.
12/21 percentage correct: 57%
'iamwil https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025885
Eugenics dating service from Harvard students was announced just a few days ago.
1/2 percentage correct: 50%
'DaniFong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1026260
Solar and wind are now cheaper than alternatives. Is not sold to customers "when they want it, how they want it."
1/2 percentage correct: 50%
'bioweek https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1026279
Ubiquitous free internet did happen, wasn't a meshnet.
1/2 percentage correct: 50%
'borism https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025861
Web did not cease to be the delivery platform of choice for applications, it's gotten worse. Point denied.
Internet has become more restricted.
1/2 percentage correct: 50%
'zitterbewegung https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025906
PMCs have gotten more prevalent. Have not gotten more popular.
1/2 percentage correct: 50%
'brfox https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025855
Gene-therapy did become slightly more commonplace. Genome sequencing for chronic conditions is now commonplace (wouldn't have counted this if 'brfox didn't elaborate on the prediction in same thread).
2/5 percentage correct: 40%
'tommorris https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025771
GNU/Linux on the desktop didn't really happen, but Linux on the desktop did (ChromeOS).
Widespread adoption of LISP by developers sort of happened (Clojure), despite much adoption, still limited reach.
Cheaper hardware happened, and is the only thing I'm giving a full point for.
The rest didn't really happen.
1/6 percentage correct: 16.7%
----- Losers:
'varjag https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025740
Didn't happen.
0/1 percentage correct: 0%
'10ren https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1026574
Nothing right, though first two slightly mirror events that happened ("you inside" = VR; mobile devices have specialized processors like "organs in the body," though multi-core is far from dead).
0/4 percentage correct: 0%
'erikstarck https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1026088
Nothing accurate barring possibly the Google example, though not even it is really right.
0/3 percentage correct: 0%
'mojuba https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025706
Entirely wrong, unfortunately.
0/a-bunch percentage correct: 0%
'lallysingh https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025783
No substantial change in political bases, slight left-swing for demographic mentioned.
0/1 percentage correct: 0%
'artagon https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025790
Entirely wrong.
0/6 percentage correct: 0%
'andrewcooke https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025727
None of this was correct, though AMD did make steps in that direction, and so did IBM/Sony.
0/2 percentage correct: 0%
'samuel https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025853
It hasn't yet.
0/1 percentage correct: 0%
----- Honorable mentions:
'paraschopra https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025736
Half-point given because tablets rose to prominence and serve as partial e-Book readers, though they also killed dedicated ones.
.5/1 percentage correct: N/A
'Scott_MacGregor https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1026255
1. His company failed.
2. Didn't happen.
3. Half-point given; free for everyone, usually privately-funded.
4. It's gotten worse.
5. No explanation necessary.
6. Didn't happen.
7. It's gotten worse.
.5/7 percentage correct: N/A
'zacharypinter https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025867
All claims basically correct, though flawed. Not taking into final % calculation or ranking for that reason.
4/5 percentage correct: N/A
'motters https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025738
Both predictions correct with large picture, both wrong on most details. Half-point awarded for each.
1/2 percentage correct: N/A
'motters https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025817
Problems with pensions happened, were not as bad as claimed.
.5/1 percentage correct: N/A
Edit: here's just one example. It goes earlier than this. https://www.scottadamssays.com/2015/09/23/the-reason-for-tru...
I checked and nobody predicted a Trump presidency in 2010. So no time travelers amongst us sadly.
- Server-side rendering is ubiquitous. Previously, motivations for client side rendering were to minimise network bandwidth requirements and to avoid server-side statefulness, reducing RAM and CPU requirements. By 2030, memory and compute resources are so cheap that the inherent advantages of server side rendering make it a no brainer for the most part.
- Discovery of extraterrestrial life will occur in mid to late 2020s, most likely in the form of Martian microbes. The James Webb Space Telescope will likely acquire strong evidence of organic lifeforms on multiple exoplanets. Even more surprising discoveries may be made in this area.
- Anti aging therapies become mainstream. By 2030, people in developed countries can expect to live an additional 10-15 years in good health. Reaching 'actuarial escape velocity' becomes a serious possibility for many people alive now. Governments realise the time will come when they will have to step in and bail out pension funds who have unwittingly sold annuities. There will be a group of people who were old enough to get an annuity before they became prohibitively expensive/unavailable and who were young enough to reach actuarial escape velocity. They will be labelled 'the luckiest generation ever'. This may not become totally apparent until 2030s or 2040s.
- Real time ray tracing becomes standard by late 2020s. Games are indistinguishable from reality. A murder case where defendant claims 'they thought they were ingame' makes the news headlines.
- Spacex's Starlink constellation is a massive commercial success. Partly due to this, and partly due to ubiquitous aerial drone-based delivery, it becomes not only possible, but increasingly desirable for many people to live in remote areas.
- Development of space based industry is slower than people hoped. Full exploitation of cheap launch capabilities provided by SpaceX won't be seen until 2030s. Blue Origin will catch up with Spacex's capabilities by mid 2020s. Private space launch industry will no longer be a one horse race.
- Electric cars overtake ICEs in developed nations. Several incumbents who don't react in time will go bankrupt and be acquired by electric car manufacturers. As such, the brands won't disappear, the executive boards however will be out of a job.
- Cryptocurrency will remain off the radar for most of 2020 until, due to major war involving a wealthy, developed country, millions of people will rush to buy Bitcoin to save what they can of their wealth. Price of one Bitcoin will quickly exceed $100,000 during this period.
- People will become increasingly afraid to post their physical likeness (appearance and voice in particular) on the internet due to a surge in deep-fake powered identity theft.
- North Korea will not collapse. The West will reluctantly accept it as a nuclear armed state. It will gradually normalise relations with the outside world and may even follow the same path China took, becoming a prosperous country in the process.
The tide will turn hard against “the cloud” when companies figure out their cloud spend is many times worse than their own data centres cost them. There may be a new wave of “lean” cloud systems.
Fast programming languages will be in vogue again once the wastefulness of things like Ruby/Erlang is finally understood.
There will be a spectacular fire because of an improper electrical install that will become a huge news media event with people asking whether or not EV's are actually safe (despite ICE vehicles having gas tanks)
There will be a major continent-wide power outage either because of a natural disaster or a highly sophisticated and coordinated attack against the poorly secured power stations that at least span NA.
Valve will beat the ever-living daylights out of everyone else in the cloud gaming space.