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Great idea but come Tuesday evening you'll have a couple who hate themselves as well as each other, who can't remember a word of that deep-and-meaningful they had at the weekend.

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Have you ever taken MDMA? I've personally found that the bonds it builds between people last long after the experience is over, and I know a couple who anecdotally feel like doing MDMA together has improved their relationship. It has risks, including anxiety attacks afterwards if you take too much, but the one person I know who had a couple months of anxiety attacks from taking MDMA (shortly after taking the analog MDA) still felt like the positive interpersonal effects were lasting and unaffected by the later anxiety attacks.

So there's one couple you know and another person who had 8 weeks (?) of anxiety attacks who swear by it ?

Hope it was the other commenter who down voted me.

Most of the comments I respond to I don't vote on, and most of the comments I vote on I don't respond to. I think it's generally a bad practice to assume that people who reply to your comments down voted you, but in this case I actually did. I did so because I believe you're spreading a misconception about the effects and aftermath of a drug that I'm pretty sure you're unfamiliar with and not well read on. Human experiences vary, and I would be open to the idea that somebody could come away from dropping MDMA without noticing lasting interpersonal bonds, but when I read a hypothetical description of a drug being used that doesn't match any of the accounts I've experienced, heard, or read, I'm skeptical that the source knows what they're taking about. This discussion seems like an inadvertent distraction from a serious suggestion.

The hangover of depression, agitation, and anhedonia is real, but it just lasts a day. The conversations, connections, and epiphanies you may have had last much much longer.

But is it the drug or the shared experience itself?

It's pent up emotions and feelings which flow freely after the drug has removed any blocks. That's the therapeutic part.

> In follow-up psychotherapy, patients process emotions and insights brought up during the MDMA session. The current protocol calls for patients to take MDMA two or three times, each a month apart, interspersed with psychotherapy.

> “The MDMA alone or the therapy alone don’t appear to be as effective,” Dr. Mithoefer said. “The MDMA seems to act as a catalyst that allows the healing to happen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/01/us/ecstasy-molly-ptsd-mdm...

MDMA and LSD affects your perception and brain chemical reactions just like food or cigarettes. The pleasure or sluggish of eating food is real or just chemical reactions?

Does it really matter if it's the drug directly or the shared experience it makes possible indirectly? (I don't which it is)

Take a reasonable dose (~100mg), avoid physical activity, and take a proper supplement stack [0] and you will find no hangover but actually a mild afterglow.

[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/DrugNerds/comments/15m9sf/mdma_supp...

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